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[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

So I guess he's getting the Patrick Ramsey treatment??

At this point in Rattay's career if he was such a hidden gem I find it hard to believe that nobody would have picked up on it.

He is what he is. A career backup who's had some decent games here and there (but so has a guy like Joey Harrington), but he's certainly nothing to write home about especially in the circumstance that he's in right now being forced into starting duty after a week with the team.

But it looks like Arizona DID pick up on it, to turn your own arugment against you.

Why is this the Ramsey treatment? Ramsey wasn't the only player to ever get the short end of the stick, in fact I thought he got a relatively decent shot to show improvement here.

It's my hope that with a top 5 passing defense we can shut the Cards down, and should logically be able to.

But this year we've played a 38 year old Trent Green, McNabb, Eli, Kitna, and a 38 year old Favre.

Rattay is certainly better than elderly Green and Kitna, and based on what McNabb has done this year...him too. The only QB we struggled with was Eli, so Rattay's probably not good enough to toss 350 and 6 TD's on us, but its a good signing by Arizona, and it is another challenge for us.

We have shut down good QBs this year, but this arugment that we should have no problem whatsoever this week is a little bit blind faith and very much uninformed. At the end of the day, we are still 4th in total defense, but are you expecting this to be a season in which we set many defensive records. Eli showed that we could be had by a QB who was not elite...so I would ask us not to get too overconfident, even if there is good reason to feel safe.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

But it looks like Arizona DID pick up on it, to turn your own arugment against you.

Why is this the Ramsey treatment? Ramsey wasn't the only player to ever get the short end of the stick, in fact I thought he got a relatively decent shot to show improvement here.

It's my hope that with a top 5 passing defense we can shut the Cards down, and should logically be able to.

But this year we've played a 38 year old Trent Green, McNabb, Eli, Kitna, and a 38 year old Favre.

Rattay is certainly better than elderly Green and Kitna, and based on what McNabb has done this year...him too. The only QB we struggled with was Eli, so Rattay's probably not good enough to toss 350 and 6 TD's on us, but its a good signing by Arizona, and it is another challenge for us.

We have shut down good QBs this year, but this arugment that we should have no problem whatsoever this week is a little bit blind faith and very much uninformed. At the end of the day, we are still 4th in total defense, but are you expecting this to be a season in which we set many defensive records. Eli showed that we could be had by a QB who was not elite...so I would ask us not to get too overconfident, even if there is good reason to feel safe.

What exactly did Arizona pick up on?? C'mon they were desperate and he was the best name out there.

I called it the Ramsey treatment because some like to think that he's still this hidden gem that only needs a chance to prove himself, when in reality he's had his chances and has failed to do so and that's why he's a backup.

Hey I agree that Rattay is a decent backup, I just argue that the fact that he's "good" but again it depends on your definition of that word relative to a QB.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

What exactly did Arizona pick up on?? C'mon they were desperate and he was the best name out there.

I called it the Ramsey treatment because some like to think that he's still this hidden gem that only needs a chance to prove himself, when in reality he's had his chances and has failed to do so and that's why he's a backup.

Hey I agree that Rattay is a decent backup, I just argue that the fact that he's "good" but again it depends on your definition of that word relative to a QB.

I guess it is all perception. Historically, 80.3 is good by pretty much any standard. This year, it really isn't good. Completion percentages are at an all time high accross the league.

But what exactly has Rattay "failed" at? Because he wasn't an elite quarterback as a 4th year player on one of the worst teams in history? You leave it in context and what he has accomplised is actually pretty impressive given his leaguewide value. We could have had him in here this offseason for near league min value, and he's about 3 times the QB Todd Collins is.

Now we have to play against him. I'd like to go into this week already knowing we are going to have the W, but all I can do is hope our D keeps it up. If they don't we could be 3-3 come Monday.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I guess it is all perception. Historically, 80.3 is good by pretty much any standard. This year, it really isn't good. Completion percentages are at an all time high accross the league.

But what exactly has Rattay "failed" at? Because he wasn't an elite quarterback as a 4th year player on one of the worst teams in history? You leave it in context and what he has accomplised is actually pretty impressive given his leaguewide value. We could have had him in here this offseason for near league min value, and he's about 3 times the QB Todd Collins is.

Now we have to play against him. I'd like to go into this week already knowing we are going to have the W, but all I can do is hope our D keeps it up. If they don't we could be 3-3 come Monday.

C'mon Tripp. Don't go picking on Todd Collins. To say Rattay is three times better than Collins is simply crazy. If that were the case he would be a starter. I think Rattay is a solid back-up, just like Collins. No more, no less.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I guess it is all perception. Historically, 80.3 is good by pretty much any standard. This year, it really isn't good. Completion percentages are at an all time high accross the league.

But what exactly has Rattay "failed" at? Because he wasn't an elite quarterback as a 4th year player on one of the worst teams in history? You leave it in context and what he has accomplised is actually pretty impressive given his leaguewide value. We could have had him in here this offseason for near league min value, and he's about 3 times the QB Todd Collins is.

Now we have to play against him. I'd like to go into this week already knowing we are going to have the W, but all I can do is hope our D keeps it up. If they don't we could be 3-3 come Monday.

I didn't say he failed at anything. I said he's a journeyman and a decent backup. That doesn't fit into my definition of "good" when talking about NFL QB's, but like you said it's all about perception and our perceptions about this guy obviously differ.

Considering the passing attacks we've already shut down, I'm not at all concerned about a passing game led by Tim Rattay with 2 weeks of prep on a new team, sorry I'm just not.

If we lose this game it won't be because of the defense that's for sure.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

But it looks like Arizona DID pick up on it, to turn your own arugment against you.

Why is this the Ramsey treatment? Ramsey wasn't the only player to ever get the short end of the stick, in fact I thought he got a relatively decent shot to show improvement here.

It's my hope that with a top 5 passing defense we can shut the Cards down, and should logically be able to.

But this year we've played a 38 year old Trent Green, McNabb, Eli, Kitna, and a 38 year old Favre.

Rattay is certainly better than elderly Green and Kitna, and based on what McNabb has done this year...him too. The only QB we struggled with was Eli, so Rattay's probably not good enough to toss 350 and 6 TD's on us, but its a good signing by Arizona, and it is another challenge for us.

We have shut down good QBs this year, but this arugment that we should have no problem whatsoever this week is a little bit blind faith and very much uninformed. At the end of the day, we are still 4th in total defense, but are you expecting this to be a season in which we set many defensive records. Eli showed that we could be had by a QB who was not elite...so I would ask us not to get too overconfident, even if there is good reason to feel safe.

Every week is going to be a challenge, but to put Rattay in the same tier of QBs as Kitna, McNabb and Green? Whooooaaaaa Cowboy.

I'm not saying this week will be no problem whatsoever, but our D should get a break considering the compared cometition to this point. We still have to score.