Jason Campbell vs. Eli Manning

[GTripp0012]

Kitna is bad. No two ways about it.

You have to put Garcia in over him. You just have to.

Back to the thread topic, Garcia is MILES above Campbell and Manning. Campbell and Manning are both pretty young, and a very good comparison.

And in my opinion, its Campbell who is having the better season.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Kitna is bad. No two ways about it.

You have to put Garcia in over him. You just have to.

Back to the thread topic, Garcia is MILES above Campbell and Manning. Campbell and Manning are both pretty young, and a very good comparison.

And in my opinion, its Campbell who is having the better season.

You think Garcia is MILES above JC and Manning? Really????

No disrespect to Mr. Garcia. He has made a huge difference for TB. No question you can win with him if he is in the west coast offense. But he is not a top flight NFL QB. He can't take over a game. He can't put a team on his back and carry the team. That type of QB would be MILES above Manning and JC. I don't put him in that class.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

You think Garcia is MILES above JC and Manning? Really????

No disrespect to Mr. Garcia. He has made a huge difference for TB. No question you can win with him if he is in the west coast offense. But he is not a top flight NFL QB. He can't take over a game. He can't put a team on his back and carry the team. That type of QB would be MILES above Manning and JC. I don't put him in that class.

Okay, so who are you crediting Tampa's 6-4 start to if not Garcia? If he hasn't taken over a game, who has?

7 and a half yards per attempt while completing 64% with 3 interceptions in 278 attempts is pretty much the definition of taking over the game...every game.

I don't deny that this could be Garcia's last season at the top of the game, but he's got Tampa poised to take their division despite a similar effort on defense from a 4-12 team last year, and his running back going out for the season over a month ago. He's doing even better this season than Favre is, IMO.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Okay, so who are you crediting Tampa's 6-4 start to if not Garcia? If he hasn't taken over a game, who has?

7 and a half yards per attempt while completing 64% with 3 interceptions in 278 attempts is pretty much the definition of taking over the game...every game.

I don't deny that this could be Garcia's last season at the top of the game, but he's got Tampa poised to take their division despite a similar effort on defense from a 4-12 team last year, and his running back going out for the season over a month ago. He's doing even better this season than Favre is, IMO.

While TB is better this year, 6-4 is not 8-2 or 9-1. Plus they get to play Atl. a couple of times. As I said he is good. I've always liked Garcia's game. He knows how to play the position as long as he is in the west coast system. He is an upgrade over Sims. But to say he is miles above Eli and JC is a going a little far. Don't you think? I would not put Garcia as a top 5 NFL QB.

I don't know how TB's defense has been playing. But I would guess that they are playing much better then last year.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

While TB is better this year, 6-4 is not 8-2 or 9-1. Plus they get to play Atl. a couple of times. As I said he is good. I've always liked Garcia's game. He knows how to play the position as long as he is in the west coast system. He is an upgrade over Sims. But to say he is miles above Eli and JC is a going a little far. Don't you think? I would not put Garcia as a top 5 NFL QB.

I don't know how TB's defense has been playing. But I would guess that they are playing much better then last year.

Top 5?

This year alone I probably would. Brady, Manning, Garrard, Romo, and Garcia.

Roethlisberger can't have games like this past one to be on that list.

Miles above JC and Eli is all about where those guys are at this point this season. Being fair to Campbell with the lack of help he's gotten, we can say he's been an above average player. Same for Manning.

Garcia has been a great player thus far this season, and there's definately at least a tier of QBs in this league that are clearly better than Campbell or Eli Manning, but still couldn't be in the same class as 2007 Garcia.

Palmer, Roethlisberger, Brees, Cutler, Hasselbeck, Schaub, and McNabb.

All of those guys are pretty significantly better than Campbell at this point in his development, but I wouldn't try to compare any of their years to Garcia.

So although "miles ahead" is a subjective point, I would definitely take Garcia's year to Eli Manning's 100/100 times.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

You think Garcia is MILES above JC and Manning? Really????

No disrespect to Mr. Garcia. He has made a huge difference for TB. No question you can win with him if he is in the west coast offense. But he is not a top flight NFL QB. He can't take over a game. He can't put a team on his back and carry the team. That type of QB would be MILES above Manning and JC. I don't put him in that class.

He put Philly on his back last year and carried them into the playoffs.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by firstdown

He put Philly on his back last year and carried them into the playoffs.

Yes he did. No question. I just don't happen to think he's top 5.