Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

We have not ignored WR, we just haven't drafted that position well:

2001: 1st round - Rod Gardner
2003: 2nd round - Taylor Jacobs
2008: 2nd round - Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly

Plus

2003: Free Agent - L. Coles
2005: Trade - Santana Moss

If any of the 4 WR's drafted in the first two rounds had become bonafide starters, we would have a decent WR situation with Moss still playing at a relatively high level.

You forgot signing ARE and the big one....trading picks for Brandon Lloyd

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You forgot signing ARE and the big one....trading picks for Brandon Lloyd

Ah yes, how could I forget. Lloyd and ARE may have scored 5 TDs combined as Redskins. That 2006 Free Agent/trade class that included Lloyd, ARE, Duckett and Archuleta ranks up there with the 2008 draft class as unmitigated disasters.

[drew54]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

We have not ignored WR, we just haven't drafted that position well:

2001: 1st round - Rod Gardner
2003: 2nd round - Taylor Jacobs
2004: ...
2005: ...
2006: ...
2007: ...
2008: 2nd round - Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly

Plus

2003: Free Agent - L. Coles
2005: Trade - Santana Moss

If any of the 4 WR's drafted in the first two rounds had become bonafide starters, we would have a decent WR situation with Moss still playing at a relatively high level.

Seriously 2004-2007, four years and not one WR drafted. Yes we brought in free agents, but that was "win now" mode. Then 2008 is catch up mode and and so far none of them have panned out.

It would be nice to see the Colts or Patriots model of drafting and building a team going forward. That is all I was saying.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by drew54

Especially at TE while ignoring OL and WR in the draft for 10 years, even when they are a position of greater need.

Do you understand that concept of uncertainty and why you look like a moron for assuming that simply picking an OL means he has a 100% of success? You have to consider whether the player you're drafting is a ****ing waste of a roster space and time because of the probability they'll flame out. And in hindsight, pretty much all of the OL past the first round were ****ing scrubs, Rhinehart being just one of many.

Did the fact that outside of the 1st round of the 2008 draft, practically all the OL selected were scrubs did not enter your brain?

Oh hell, I believe that we could have stayed in the 1st and drafted Baker, but I'll bet that 99% of the fans would have been screaming for Vinny's head because we "already had Jansen and Samuels".

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Do you understand that concept of uncertainty and why you look like a moron for assuming that simply picking an OL means he has a 100% of success? You have to consider whether the player you're drafting is a ****ing waste of a roster space and time because of the probability they'll flame out. And in hindsight, pretty much all of the OL past the first round were ****ing scrubs, Rhinehart being just one of many.

Did the fact that outside of the 1st round of the 2008 draft, practically all the OL selected were scrubs did not enter your brain?

Oh hell, I believe that we could have stayed in the 1st and drafted Baker, but I'll bet that 99% of the fans would have been screaming for Vinny's head because we "already had Jansen and Samuels".

Going into the 2008 draft, even the casual fan knew the Skins needed to upgrade OL depth since Jansen and Randy Thomas were showing wear and tear, going down for the previous season in games 1 and 3, respectively. Staying in the 1st round and drafting OL would have been the wise choice. Vinny compounded that mistake of trading out of the 1st round by botching the additional 2nd round picks we received.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Going into the 2008 draft, even the casual fan knew the Skins needed to upgrade OL depth since Jansen and Randy Thomas were showing wear and tear, going down for the previous season in games 1 and 3, respectively. Staying in the 1st round and drafting OL would have been the wise choice. Vinny compounded that mistake of trading out of the 1st round by botching the additional 2nd round picks we received.

Yeah, Vinny just bungled it royally either way. We could have had Royal and Jackson. We got Thomas and Kelly.

We could have had Chris Johnson, Sam Baker, or Rashard Mendenhall had we stayed in the first round. We just simply missed out on playmakers. Yeah, CP was here, but we would have had no need to commit more picks to RBs in the next 5 years at the very least.

[SolidSnake84]

I dont think the skins ever had a plan for Fred Davis at any point....

[MTK]

He had a couple of chances in the red zone against the Lions on 2 pt conversions and couldn't come up with either one. Gotta make the most of his opportunities to earn more time.

Rumors are that he's struggled in picking up this offense, much like he did with Zorn. There's also talk that he lacks focus when he's not 'the man'.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

He had a couple of chances in the red zone against the Lions on 2 pt conversions and couldn't come up with either one. Gotta make the most of his opportunities to earn more time.

Rumors are that he's struggled in picking up this offense, much like he did with Zorn. There's also talk that he lacks focus when he's not 'the man'.

His lack of focus protecting the right edge for the FG unit allowed the Texans to block a chip shot FG that would have put the Skins up by 10 with 5 minutes left - a HUGE factor in that loss.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

His lack of focus protecting the right edge for the FG unit allowed the Texans to block a chip shot FG that would have put the Skins up by 10 with 5 minutes left - a HUGE factor in that loss.

idk, he blocked the inner guy as he is supposed to given the choice btw blocking the inner or outer rusher. but i suppose he could have chipped the outer guy but then in his attempt to block 2 guys he could have ended up blocking none.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Rumors are that he's struggled in picking up this offense, much like he did with Zorn. There's also talk that he lacks focus when he's not 'the man'.

If you've coached on any level rumors like this should make you cringe.
I have a hard time believing a coach would leak this type of information.
Imo when a coach points a finger at player for inability to learn or understand a football concepts there are 3 fingers pointing back at that coach for not being able to do their job and help a clearly talented player learn and produce within their scheme.

BTW somewhat off topis-(This is a problem i have with the whole Kyle and McNabb situation; IF they think/blame McNabb for not knowing the 2-minute offense or not knowing the plays as well as they want where is Kyle's culpability for not being able to have a talented QB like McNabb better prepared and more prducitve QB and to field a more productive passing offense (at least one that's more productive then last years passing game) with a more talented QB and offensive line.)

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

He had a couple of chances in the red zone against the Lions on 2 pt conversions and couldn't come up with either one. Gotta make the most of his opportunities to earn more time.

Rumors are that he's struggled in picking up this offense, much like he did with Zorn. There's also talk that he lacks focus when he's not 'the man'.

To be fair if I remember correctly McNabb did not give him a very good chance.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

To be fair if I remember correctly McNabb did not give him a very good chance.

Hit him in the hands both times if I remember, or was at least very close on one of them. Ball came in hot but he's gotta make those plays.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Hit him in the hands both times if I remember, or was at least very close on one of them. Ball came in hot but he's gotta make those plays.

If remember right I was thinking why didn't McNabb just float it up for Davis to go get but instead he drilled a pass at him from a few yards away. It was like he was trying to but the ball where only Davis had a chance to avoid the int. but on the two points just get the ball there. The int does not matter.

[Longtimefan]

It's obvious he wasn't drafted for need. VC considered him the best player on the DB at his position at the time of his selection. For some players it's difficult to remain focused when they're not contributing on a regular basis.