Taylor to Return w/o Restructure or Paycut

[SmootSmack]

I like that he's coming back for another season.

-It's not up to him to decide to restructure. The Redskins should go to Taylor and his agent if they want to restructure, not the other way around. And, I don't consider myself a cap expert, but I'm sure there are good reasons for not restructuring his deal where it potentially hurts us more in the long run.

-He has no reason to ask for a pay cut. He earned his contract...by being one of the best defensive players in the league for the past decade. The fact that he was hurt last year is irrelevant to the contract he signed before he arrived.

-There seems to be a prevaling gloom and doom feeling that he's about to have a Simeon Rice like drop-off and be a worthless scrub...or he could bounce back from injury at his age and have a strong season a la Michael Strahan.

-He had one of his best seasons ever, I think he even won defensive MVP, playing a lot of linebacker back in 2006.

-I don't know what the plan is for him and Andre Carter. Carter did have some success last year when they lined him up at LDE against the Vikings. Two things to consider though, a stalwart-Daniels-was lined up on the other side and the Vikings are not really a passing threat anyway. Either way, JT showed he can still play the game during the albeit limited time he was healthy. And, like I said before, he's one of the best defensive players to play the game in the last decade and he hasn't really had any injury problems until his one injury last year. It's up to Blache, Olivadotti, and Palermo to take advantage of his incredible talents and put him in the right positions to succeed.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

-He has no reason to ask for a pay cut. He earned his contract...by being one of the best defensive players in the league for the past decade. The fact that he was hurt last year is irrelevant to the contract he signed before he arrived.

There you go using blatant reasoning again! This line of thinking exists in exactly .73% of all sports fans. The rest are willing to let a guy play at all-pro level for less than he should be making but once he signs a fair deal and eventually his play drops then he is "stealing from the team". Hypocrisy at its best.

I agree with you. He earned his deal. It's on us for acquiring it. He was a great football player and maybe he still can be. One year at that salary won't kill us long term. Restructuring it to save a few mil and pushing it forward just kills us long term. In this case I'd prefer we take one year of greater risk rather than three of lesser, yet still substantial risk.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I like that he's coming back for another season.

-It's not up to him to decide to restructure. The Redskins should go to Taylor and his agent if they want to restructure, not the other way around. And, I don't consider myself a cap expert, but I'm sure there are good reasons for not restructuring his deal where it potentially hurts us more in the long run.

-He has no reason to ask for a pay cut. He earned his contract...by being one of the best defensive players in the league for the past decade. The fact that he was hurt last year is irrelevant to the contract he signed before he arrived.

-There seems to be a prevaling gloom and doom feeling that he's about to have a Simeon Rice like drop-off and be a worthless scrub...or he could bounce back from injury at his age and have a strong season a la Michael Strahan.

-He had one of his best seasons ever, I think he even won defensive MVP, playing a lot of linebacker back in 2006.

-I don't know what the plan is for him and Andre Carter. Carter did have some success last year when they lined him up at LDE against the Vikings. Two things to consider though, a stalwart-Daniels-was lined up on the other side and the Vikings are not really a passing threat anyway. Either way, JT showed he can still play the game during the albeit limited time he was healthy. And, like I said before, he's one of the best defensive players to play the game in the last decade and he hasn't really had any injury problems until his one injury last year. It's up to Blache, Olivadotti, and Palermo to take advantage of his incredible talents and put him in the right positions to succeed.

Good points.

Personally I would like to have his cap space, but we should be able to free up an ample amount with other moves.

I never agreed with flat out cutting him. When healthy and used properly he's a game changer. I'm hoping we'll turn him loose and get creative in finding ways to let him get after the QB. He was clearly handcuffed last year and of course the injuries didn't help.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I like that he's coming back for another season.

-It's not up to him to decide to restructure. The Redskins should go to Taylor and his agent if they want to restructure, not the other way around. And, I don't consider myself a cap expert, but I'm sure there are good reasons for not restructuring his deal where it potentially hurts us more in the long run.

-He has no reason to ask for a pay cut. He earned his contract...by being one of the best defensive players in the league for the past decade. The fact that he was hurt last year is irrelevant to the contract he signed before he arrived.

-There seems to be a prevaling gloom and doom feeling that he's about to have a Simeon Rice like drop-off and be a worthless scrub...or he could bounce back from injury at his age and have a strong season a la Michael Strahan.

-He had one of his best seasons ever, I think he even won defensive MVP, playing a lot of linebacker back in 2006.

-I don't know what the plan is for him and Andre Carter. Carter did have some success last year when they lined him up at LDE against the Vikings. Two things to consider though, a stalwart-Daniels-was lined up on the other side and the Vikings are not really a passing threat anyway. Either way, JT showed he can still play the game during the albeit limited time he was healthy. And, like I said before, he's one of the best defensive players to play the game in the last decade and he hasn't really had any injury problems until his one injury last year. It's up to Blache, Olivadotti, and Palermo to take advantage of his incredible talents and put him in the right positions to succeed.

But even when JT wasn't hurt he played like crap. He couldn't get to the passer or play the run. All he did was bat down some passes. So why take the risk for a guy that's not going be here for the off season program and only going to be here for one more year? That makes no sense to me. I'd rather keep Evans and bring in a guy like Canty than keep Taylor.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

But even when JT wasn't hurt he played like crap. He couldn't get to the passer or play the run. All he did was bat down some passes. So why take the risk for a guy that's not going be here for the off season program and only going to be here for one more year? That makes no sense to me. I'd rather keep Evans and bring in a guy like Canty than keep Taylor.

I haven't heard anything about him not being here in the offseason? Have you? Also, none of our players could get to the passer all season.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I haven't heard anything about him not being here in the offseason? Have you? Also, none of our players could get to the passer all season.

I thought that's why we paid big bucks and draft picks for JT.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I thought that's why we paid big bucks and draft picks for JT.

True but the expectation was for both JT and Carter to have a good season in getting to the QB, and they didn't. Carter is also getting paid big bucks (which we just restructured). I think overall there was an issue with the line, although, I think it's a bit silly to pine so much on the woes of the defense, given that they were the better of the two units.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I haven't heard anything about him not being here in the offseason? Have you? Also, none of our players could get to the passer all season.

Do you honestly think that JT is going to be in Ashburn working out with the rest of the guys? He didn't even work out when the new staff came in at Miami and that's the main reason he got traded.

True none of the other guys got to the passer but none of them make 8 mil.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Do you honestly think that JT is going to be in Ashburn working out with the rest of the guys? He didn't even work out when the new staff came in at Miami and that's the main reason he got traded.

True none of the other guys got to the passer but none of them make 8 mil.

Of course he will. He never had a history of missing OTA's before last year. He was embroiled in a public spat with Parcells and the Dolphins organization and was involved with Dancing With the Stars.

Seriously, Taylor's commitment should be the least of our concerns. He's here for a year, he's got his money, he's out to prove his worth and ability. He has never been a money guy (like Haynesworth may be) or a 'me' guy just interested in himself. He's a pride guy and I think last year will motivate him even more to prove it was a fluke and he's not done.

[Monksdown]

We signed him to a 2 year deal. Let's see what he's got going for number 2. He didn't have an incredible year last year by any stretch of the imagination. Do you cut your losses and use that money this year, or do you give him this last chance to earn that money?

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Monksdown

We signed him to a 2 year deal. Let's see what he's got going for number 2. He didn't have an incredible year last year by any stretch of the imagination. Do you cut your losses and use that money this year, or do you give him this last chance to earn that money?

Let's not lose sight of why we gave JT 8.5m. He was not brought here to prove he's worth the 8m. Neither does he need to earn it. We paid him 8.5 Because he's JT. And a healthy JT is a dominate Football player. He has nothing to prove. Let's just hope he stays healthy so he can play JT football. Let's also hope FO plays him RDE. So he can do his thing.

With that said I do think he will have a BIG season.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Of course he will. He never had a history of missing OTA's before last year. He was embroiled in a public spat with Parcells and the Dolphins organization and was involved with Dancing With the Stars.

Seriously, Taylor's commitment should be the least of our concerns. He's here for a year, he's got his money, he's out to prove his worth and ability. He has never been a money guy (like Haynesworth may be) or a 'me' guy just interested in himself. He's a pride guy and I think last year will motivate him even more to prove it was a fluke and he's not done.

I say move on. I want guys that are going want to put on the burgundy and gold. Not guys that are looking to extend their careers and pocketing more money. There is no way you can tell me that Taylor's heart is into playing here cause it's not. I get so tired of bringing in other teams players. When is this non sense ever going to stop?? Nothing in the past proves that building a team and making other teams players the highest paid on your own team works. Show me one example of any NFL team that has won a SB by bringing in old free agents or other teams players??

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I say move on. I want guys that are going want to put on the burgundy and gold. Not guys that are looking to extend their careers and pocketing more money. There is no way you can tell me that Taylor's heart is into playing here cause it's not. I get so tired of bringing in other teams players. When is this non sense ever going to stop?? Nothing in the past proves that building a team and making other teams players the highest paid on your own team works. Show me one example of any NFL team that has won a SB by bringing in old free agents or other teams players??

Oakland got there, but got beat in 2002 by a team that was stronger-built than they were.