How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?

[wilsowilso]

I wonder what the Torry Holt price tag is going to be? Probably pretty high.

[terpsez11]

Originally Posted by Bill B

OK - lets say the Skins get the same type of production out of Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly this year as they did last. At some point potential has to turn into production and if these two have similar seasons like they did last year how much longer do you keep them on the roster? I know many say WR's need a couple of seasons to develop so I am curious as to how long do the Skins wait for them to produce - 2 years, 3 years, 4 or more?

why have the Skins kept Antwaan Randle-El for so long???..he runs in circles on Punt Returns and can't seperate from anyone as a receiver..you advocate cutting receivers..cut one that has no game at all before you cut two second year players because of the lack of nothing better to discuss

[vallin21]

I keep them 2 years at the most. They need to learn the speed of the game, and being in the same offense (hopefully) will help them. With that said, both will have to stay healthy to contribute (especially Kelly). I expect big things from them this year, which is why I don't get why people want a declining Holt, when they have only been on the team for a year.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by terpsez11

why have the Skins kept Antwaan Randle-El for so long???..he runs in circles on Punt Returns and can't seperate from anyone as a receiver..you advocate cutting receivers..cut one that has no game at all before you cut two second year players because of the lack of nothing better to discuss

We're totally upside down wrt ARL's contract... it will be more expensive to cut him than keep him. I personally don't think he is the problem. El is a serviceable #3 or #2 WR. Moss can achieve #1 production when he has another serious threat opposite him and for this offense to fly Kelly or Thomas has to become that player for us. I mean both Moss and El bring something to the table but they're not dominant individually or together enough to really carry our passing game.

... i hope Zorn plays Thomas and Kelly a ton in preseason. I'd like them to take at least 75% of the snaps. We already know what Moss and El can do - Jason already has a feel for how these guys run routes etc. The goal it seems should be for JC/Kelly/Thomas to build as much chemistry as possible before opening day.

[tryfuhl]

you don't

[SBXVII]

FOREVER See they are going to be the second coming. No one wants to explore looking into picking up a Vet in FA cause some want these two to shine. but they have no plan in case they don't.

Don't get me wrong I think both will be special in this league and will do great things. My only concern is I don't think it will be with us. Why? cause some are already wanting to can them, others think this yr they will break it out and my doubts are more towards the WR's coach. He has done nothing with WR's since he's been here but for some reason this yr he's going to decide to step it up and develope two WR's. Heck in CJ's first yr he had 28 REC, for 329 yrds, and 1 TD. In his second yr he did better he got 69 REC, for 1,116 yrds, and 5 TD's and after those two yrs he has had no less then 10 TD's a yr.

T.O. in his first yr had 35 REC, for 520 yrds, and 4 TD's. In his second yr he had 60 REC, for 936 yrds, and 8 TD's. Since then he has had only two yrs of less then 1,000 yrds.

I'll eat crow if both Kelly and Thomas step out and get 5 TD's a piece, but I doubt it. They hardley played their first yr had maybe one catch or two and very little yardage. I sorta count this yr as their first yr if you are going to measure them up against the best. So expect to see any where from 20 to 40 REC, about 400yrds a piece if that and perhaps 2-4 TD's each.

[SouperMeister]

If we get the same production (ZERO) out of Thomas and Kelly, I really believe that Cerrato has to go. Everyone knew that we needed help on both lines, and Vinny insisted on drafting 3 receivers in the 2nd round. What I found even more troubling was their showing up out of shape for training camp. Time for these boys to grow up and start approaching football as a profession instead of a game.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

If we get the same production (ZERO) out of Thomas and Kelly, I really believe that Cerrato has to go. Everyone knew that we needed help on both lines, and Vinny insisted on drafting 3 receivers in the 2nd round. What I found even more troubling was their showing up out of shape for training camp. Time for these boys to grow up and start approaching football as a profession instead of a game.

If we let Cerrato go can we let Hixon go also. Atleast keep the WR's and allow another WR coach to have a crack at them.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

If we let Cerrato go can we let Hixon go also. Atleast keep the WR's and allow another WR coach to have a crack at them.

Amen.

[GTripp0012]

And there are plenty of people who we could get to play RT right now, but Vinny seems dead-set on using pick # 13 to bolster that position. Should he even get the chance.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

And there are plenty of people who we could get to play RT right now, but Vinny seems dead-set on using pick # 13 to bolster that position. Should he even get the chance.

I REALLY hope that doesn't happen. There are 2 things we've lacked for more than 20 years, a no doubt franchise QB and a pass rusher the offense has to account for on every down. We're not going to address QB in this draft since we may have the solution already in house but IF Maybin or Orapko is available we have to pull that trigger.

I wish our fanbase didn't have an obsession with OL and not discounting the need to upgrade if possible at RT but you don't draft RT in the 1st round, especially not in the teens! That's just madness. If you have good scouting and good coaching you should be able to get a RT in the 3rd round and have him starting on opening day.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I REALLY hope that doesn't happen. There are 2 things we've lacked for more than 20 years, a no doubt franchise QB and a pass rusher the offense has to account for on every down. We're not going to address QB in this draft since we may have the solution already in house but IF Maybin or Orapko is available we have to pull that trigger.

I wish our fanbase didn't have an obsession with OL and not discounting the need to upgrade if possible at RT but you don't draft RT in the 1st round, especially not in the teens! That's just madness. If you have good scouting and good coaching you should be able to get a RT in the 3rd round and have him starting on opening day.

Isn't that how we got Samuels and Jansen??

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Isn't that how we got Samuels and Jansen??

Samuels is an LT and Jansen was a 2nd round pick.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I REALLY hope that doesn't happen. There are 2 things we've lacked for more than 20 years, a no doubt franchise QB and a pass rusher the offense has to account for on every down. We're not going to address QB in this draft since we may have the solution already in house but IF Maybin or Orapko is available we have to pull that trigger.

I wish our fanbase didn't have an obsession with OL and not discounting the need to upgrade if possible at RT but you don't draft RT in the 1st round, especially not in the teens! That's just madness. If you have good scouting and good coaching you should be able to get a RT in the 3rd round and have him starting on opening day.

Well, if we do our homework, we can get a scheme-effective LB in the third round, and could avoid paying top-half-of-first-round money to a guy who will probably be playing for a different coordinator in a different scheme in a year from the guy that's drafting him.

Orakpo is fine since he's scheme-adaptable and figures to take over for Andre Carter anyway, but would you really have Maybin over say, Michael Oher? Maybin is not even half the prospect Vernon Gholston was a year ago and the Jets are already trying to pull their pants up from that one.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, if we do our homework, we can get a scheme-effective LB in the third round, and could avoid paying top-half-of-first-round money to a guy who will probably be playing for a different coordinator in a different scheme in a year from the guy that's drafting him.

Orakpo is fine since he's scheme-adaptable and figures to take over for Andre Carter anyway, but would you really have Maybin over say, Michael Oher? Maybin is not even half the prospect Vernon Gholston was a year ago and the Jets are already trying to pull their pants up from that one.

I've heard that some scouts aren't even sure if Maybin is an NFL player at all. He had one decent season as a redshirt sophomore and declared for the draft. Didn't we draft a guy a last year who only put up one college season worth mentioning? Isn't his name in the title of this thread?