How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?

[terpsez11]

Originally Posted by Bill B

OK - lets say the Skins get the same type of production out of Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly this year as they did last. At some point potential has to turn into production and if these two have similar seasons like they did last year how much longer do you keep them on the roster? I know many say WR's need a couple of seasons to develop so I am curious as to how long do the Skins wait for them to produce - 2 years, 3 years, 4 or more?

why have the Skins kept Antwaan Randle-El for so long???..he runs in circles on Punt Returns and can't seperate from anyone as a receiver..you advocate cutting receivers..cut one that has no game at all before you cut two second year players because of the lack of nothing better to discuss

[vallin21]

I keep them 2 years at the most. They need to learn the speed of the game, and being in the same offense (hopefully) will help them. With that said, both will have to stay healthy to contribute (especially Kelly). I expect big things from them this year, which is why I don't get why people want a declining Holt, when they have only been on the team for a year.

[tryfuhl]

you don't

[SBXVII]

FOREVER See they are going to be the second coming. No one wants to explore looking into picking up a Vet in FA cause some want these two to shine. but they have no plan in case they don't.

Don't get me wrong I think both will be special in this league and will do great things. My only concern is I don't think it will be with us. Why? cause some are already wanting to can them, others think this yr they will break it out and my doubts are more towards the WR's coach. He has done nothing with WR's since he's been here but for some reason this yr he's going to decide to step it up and develope two WR's. Heck in CJ's first yr he had 28 REC, for 329 yrds, and 1 TD. In his second yr he did better he got 69 REC, for 1,116 yrds, and 5 TD's and after those two yrs he has had no less then 10 TD's a yr.

T.O. in his first yr had 35 REC, for 520 yrds, and 4 TD's. In his second yr he had 60 REC, for 936 yrds, and 8 TD's. Since then he has had only two yrs of less then 1,000 yrds.

I'll eat crow if both Kelly and Thomas step out and get 5 TD's a piece, but I doubt it. They hardley played their first yr had maybe one catch or two and very little yardage. I sorta count this yr as their first yr if you are going to measure them up against the best. So expect to see any where from 20 to 40 REC, about 400yrds a piece if that and perhaps 2-4 TD's each.

[SouperMeister]

If we get the same production (ZERO) out of Thomas and Kelly, I really believe that Cerrato has to go. Everyone knew that we needed help on both lines, and Vinny insisted on drafting 3 receivers in the 2nd round. What I found even more troubling was their showing up out of shape for training camp. Time for these boys to grow up and start approaching football as a profession instead of a game.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by terpsez11

why have the Skins kept Antwaan Randle-El for so long???..he runs in circles on Punt Returns and can't seperate from anyone as a receiver..you advocate cutting receivers..cut one that has no game at all before you cut two second year players because of the lack of nothing better to discuss

We're totally upside down wrt ARL's contract... it will be more expensive to cut him than keep him. I personally don't think he is the problem. El is a serviceable #3 or #2 WR. Moss can achieve #1 production when he has another serious threat opposite him and for this offense to fly Kelly or Thomas has to become that player for us. I mean both Moss and El bring something to the table but they're not dominant individually or together enough to really carry our passing game.

... i hope Zorn plays Thomas and Kelly a ton in preseason. I'd like them to take at least 75% of the snaps. We already know what Moss and El can do - Jason already has a feel for how these guys run routes etc. The goal it seems should be for JC/Kelly/Thomas to build as much chemistry as possible before opening day.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

If we get the same production (ZERO) out of Thomas and Kelly, I really believe that Cerrato has to go. Everyone knew that we needed help on both lines, and Vinny insisted on drafting 3 receivers in the 2nd round. What I found even more troubling was their showing up out of shape for training camp. Time for these boys to grow up and start approaching football as a profession instead of a game.

If we let Cerrato go can we let Hixon go also. Atleast keep the WR's and allow another WR coach to have a crack at them.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

If we let Cerrato go can we let Hixon go also. Atleast keep the WR's and allow another WR coach to have a crack at them.

Amen.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Maybe you don't get it. As of March 13th, you're 100% correct, we are short one DE and one LB. The point is, are we starting training camp tomorrow? Has the window closed on us being able to secure a DE & LB thru the draft or FA?

If you don't think that Dockery is an upgrade over Kendall I guess we're watching different football. Dockery is much more athletic, much younger and a much better drive blocker.

We don't have a hole at OT, some would like an upgrade. We don't have a hole at RG, some would like an upgrade. We don't have a hole at K, some would like an upgrade. We just signed a veteran punter a week ago. Is he a pro bowler? Nope, but he's been effective kicking in the division before.

As I asked before, who would you have brilliantly filled all of our holes with this offseason?

Jon jansen is a hole at Right Tackle. A permanent hole with two fragile thumbs...not to mention he is the achiles heel of the offensive line (pun intended).

Our kicking game was larthargic last year so I consider both positions holes. Especially since the guy they brought in to punt was no better than the guy we let go. But I am not nit picking on the kicking game. I could really care less about the upgrade there.

To answer your question we could have signed 2 more FA's immediately at the opening bell of FA and all we had to do was realize that we were going to cut Jason Taylor, Shawn Springs, and Marcus Washington. The writing was on the wall, but the FO acted too late. Anyways my additions would have been (in addition to what we had done) sign Chris Canty and Cato June. After these signings I would have moved Rocky McIntosh to SAM and June would play Will. Canty would line up at LDE. That would have enabled us to address the OT and OG positions in the Draft early 1st and 3rd rounds and needs at LB depth later a little later.

But whatever...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Angry

Jon jansen is a hole at Right Tackle. A permanent hole with two fragile thumbs...not to mention he is the achiles heel of the offensive line (pun intended).

Our kicking game was larthargic last year so I consider both positions holes. Especially since the guy they brought in to punt was no better than the guy we let go. But I am not nit picking on the kicking game. I could really care less about the upgrade there.

To answer your question we could have signed 2 more FA's immediately at the opening bell of FA and all we had to do was realize that we were going to cut Jason Taylor, Shawn Springs, and Marcus Washington. The writing was on the wall, but the FO acted too late. Anyways my additions would have been (in addition to what we had done) sign Chris Canty and Cato June. After these signings I would have moved Rocky McIntosh to SAM and June would play Will. Canty would line up at LDE. That would have enabled us to address the OT and OG positions in the Draft early 1st and 3rd rounds and needs at LB depth later a little later.

But whatever...

Canty would have been a nice piece to have, but we certainly would have overpaid for what he brings. Considering we can grab some old guy to do the same thing at league min, I'm glad we didn't throw the 8 mil a year he wanted at him.

Nothing is currently preventing us from signing Cato June, except that he's one of the worst run defending LBs in NFL history. Though when he was younger, he used to make up for that by being a good-scheme fit LB in the cover two with strong pass diagnosis skills, he's now 29 and entering the decline phase. If he declines anything from what he currently is, anything at all, he's basically Warrick Holdman. I don't know too many people lining up to get a piece of that, which explains why interest in him has been light.

[GTripp0012]

And there are plenty of people who we could get to play RT right now, but Vinny seems dead-set on using pick # 13 to bolster that position. Should he even get the chance.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

And there are plenty of people who we could get to play RT right now, but Vinny seems dead-set on using pick # 13 to bolster that position. Should he even get the chance.

I REALLY hope that doesn't happen. There are 2 things we've lacked for more than 20 years, a no doubt franchise QB and a pass rusher the offense has to account for on every down. We're not going to address QB in this draft since we may have the solution already in house but IF Maybin or Orapko is available we have to pull that trigger.

I wish our fanbase didn't have an obsession with OL and not discounting the need to upgrade if possible at RT but you don't draft RT in the 1st round, especially not in the teens! That's just madness. If you have good scouting and good coaching you should be able to get a RT in the 3rd round and have him starting on opening day.

[Hog1]

It is rumored to be a draft deep in O-lineman

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I REALLY hope that doesn't happen. There are 2 things we've lacked for more than 20 years, a no doubt franchise QB and a pass rusher the offense has to account for on every down. We're not going to address QB in this draft since we may have the solution already in house but IF Maybin or Orapko is available we have to pull that trigger.

I wish our fanbase didn't have an obsession with OL and not discounting the need to upgrade if possible at RT but you don't draft RT in the 1st round, especially not in the teens! That's just madness. If you have good scouting and good coaching you should be able to get a RT in the 3rd round and have him starting on opening day.

Isn't that how we got Samuels and Jansen??

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Isn't that how we got Samuels and Jansen??

Samuels is an LT and Jansen was a 2nd round pick.