Eli Manning vs Jason Campbell

[djnemo65]

If Asante Samuel can just manage to hold onto the ball in the Superbowl then we would be talking about Eli as one of the all time choke artists. He comes back on the next play and throws the luckiest pass in NFL history and now he'll probably go down as a clutch player.

In terms of skills the two players are somewhat similar although Eli has certainly had a more talented team. That being said, Eli has clearly underperformed as the number 1 pick. When you consider what the Giants gave up to get him, as well as the 100 million or so they are likely to spend to keep him this year, JC is clearly the better value, for whatever that's worth.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

If Asante Samuel can just manage to hold onto the ball in the Superbowl then we would be talking about Eli as one of the all time choke artists. He comes back on the next play and throws the luckiest pass in NFL history and now he'll probably go down as a clutch player.

In terms of skills the two players are somewhat similar although Eli has certainly had a more talented team. That being said, Eli has clearly underperformed as the number 1 pick. When you consider what the Giants gave up to get him, as well as the 100 million or so they are likely to spend to keep him this year, JC is clearly the better value, for whatever that's worth.

Excellent point.

[ethat001]

Eli Manning: 289 479 3,238 21 10 86.4
Jason Campbell: 315 506 3,245 13 6 84.3

Are you kidding? How are those stats comparable?? He threw for 8 more touchdowns -- with our defense, if we had that production, we'd have won 3-4 more games & the division. Last year was Jason's best year -- 13 touchdowns, and Eli's worst year (21 touchdowns).

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Eli's a great QB either. As you said, he's benefited from Plaxico, the RB's, and the offensive line. I think Eli & the Giants will struggle again this year without Plax.


So here's the question you are asking when you compare quarterbacks.. If Jason Campbell was on the Giants and Eli was on the Skins, who would be better?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by ethat001

Are you kidding? How are those stats comparable?? He threw for 8 more touchdowns -- with our defense, if we had that production, we'd have won 3-4 more games & the division. Last year was Jason's best year -- 13 touchdowns, and Eli's worst year (21 touchdowns).

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Eli's a great QB either. As you said, he's benefited from Plaxico, the RB's, and the offensive line. I think Eli & the Giants will struggle again this year without Plax.


So here's the question you are asking when you compare quarterbacks.. If Jason Campbell was on the Giants and Eli was on the Skins, who would be better?

Notice that Eli threw more interceptions than JC. That kind of evens out the touchdown thing, which is one reason why their QB ratings are so close. Heck, one year Eli led the NFL in picks - something that JC has not done.

As for your question, with everything being equal (ie Giants win Super Bowl in 07), with JC in NY and Eli in DC I think we would still be having the same conversation. Giants fans would celebrate JC as a Super Bowl winner, Redskins fans would be putting down Eli.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Notice that Eli threw more interceptions than JC. That kind of evens out the touchdown thing, which is one reason why their QB ratings are so close. Heck, one year Eli led the NFL in picks - something that JC has not done.

As for your question, with everything being equal (ie Giants win Super Bowl in 07), with JC in NY and Eli in DC I think we would still be having the same conversation. Giants fans would celebrate JC as a Super Bowl winner, Redskins fans would be putting down Eli.

You can bank on that!

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

If Asante Samuel can just manage to hold onto the ball in the Superbowl then we would be talking about Eli as one of the all time choke artists. He comes back on the next play and throws the luckiest pass in NFL history and now he'll probably go down as a clutch player.

In terms of skills the two players are somewhat similar although Eli has certainly had a more talented team. That being said, Eli has clearly underperformed as the number 1 pick. When you consider what the Giants gave up to get him, as well as the 100 million or so they are likely to spend to keep him this year, JC is clearly the better value, for whatever that's worth.

LOL.............yeah BUT he didn't.You can find one thing in every game,if the Pats D holds on to Eli, if the ref blows the whisle,if,if,if Tyree drops the ball...............but if didn't happen.I'll take an"under performing" #1 ...who can take a team as young as the Giants with the changes he keeps having thrown at him...anytime rather then some loser who has good stats and can't win a pressure game to save his life(not JC).
The team must believe in the QB ....the Giants do,do the rest of the Skins believe in JC?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Giantone

LOL.............yeah BUT he didn't.You can find one thing in every game,if the Pats D holds on to Eli, if the ref blows the whisle,if,if,if Tyree drops the ball...............but if didn't happen.I'll take an"under performing" #1 ...who can take a team as young as the Giants with the changes he keeps having thrown at him...anytime rather then some loser who has good stats and can't win a pressure game to save his life(not JC).
The team must believe in the QB ....the Giants do,do the rest of the Skins believe in JC?

From what I have read, the players do. The front office, however, seems to be taking a "wait and see" approach.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Lotus

From what I have read, the players do. The front office, however, seems to be taking a "wait and see" approach.

I think one really big difference was the front office believed in Eli first and anyone else ..player wise who didn't ....was let go. Tiki and Shockey
are my 2 best examples,Eli is starting his 6th year just this year...so his super bowl run was in his fourth,I know his 5th didn't end the way I wanted but still not a bad year considering the mess with Burress.
JC hasn't been as lucky ...I like the guy and think he's a hell of a QB...talking about what ifs,he was going to the Pro bowl.....had the O line stayed healthy.He's had what 6 or 7 OC's in his time with the Skins and no matter what anyone says he has handeled the Cutler thing with class,I'd take him for my team.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I think one really big difference was the front office believed in Eli first and anyone else ..player wise who didn't ....was let go. Tiki and Shockey
are my 2 best examples,Eli is starting his 6th year just this year...so his super bowl run was in his fourth,I know his 5th didn't end the way I wanted but still not a bad year considering the mess with Burress.
JC hasn't been as lucky ...I like the guy and think he's a hell of a QB...talking about what ifs,he was going to the Pro bowl.....had the O line stayed healthy.He's had what 6 or 7 OC's in his time with the Skins and no matter what anyone says he has handeled the Cutler thing with class,I'd take him for my team.

Ok we will trade him for Eli straight up. =)

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Giantone

LOL.............yeah BUT he didn't.You can find one thing in every game,if the Pats D holds on to Eli, if the ref blows the whisle,if,if,if Tyree drops the ball...............but if didn't happen.I'll take an"under performing" #1 ...who can take a team as young as the Giants with the changes he keeps having thrown at him...anytime them some loser who has good stats and can't win a pressure game to save his life(not JC).
The team must believe in the QB ....the Giants do,do the rest of the Skins believe in JC?

I haven't heard or seen anything to make me think they don't. Giantone has a point. You can always point to different things in a game that would have changed the outcome. Eli has a ring and Jason doesn't. Doe's that mean he's a better QB though? Using that logic, Eli is better than Dan Marino ever was. I think it's too early in their careers to make a clearcut choice. Hopefully we'll at least have a little clearer picture after this year..... Or maybe we won't.