Obama Care

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by firstdown

There is not a big difference to me and our large national debt is a product of congress unwilling to cut cost do to the fact they are scared it will cost them their job. When was the last time we had someone running for office that actually stood up and talked about all the cuts that need to be made. I'm sure there are some and McCain did to a point but most just talk about more goverment programs as did McCain.

Sounds like the same issue with the flawed corporate model. More support for your theory CRR.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Sounds like the same issue with the flawed corporate model. More support for your theory CRR.

That makes no sense. I'd say a corporate mgr would do the opposite and cut cost to save their job. Wouldn't cost over run cost them money?

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by firstdown

That makes no sense. I'd say a corporate mgr would do the opposite and cut cost to save their job. Wouldn't cost over run cost them money?

My point is that (most) people are more concerned with keeping their job, than doing what is right -- corporate executives and congressmen alike.

Make sense now?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

My point is that (most) people are more concerned with keeping their job, than doing what is right -- corporate executives and congressmen alike.

Make sense now?

You must not have much fath in your fellow Americans. I say more people will do what right and what happens, happens. It sounds like you think more people are willing to throw out any ethics they have for the sake of their job and I just don't think thats true. Does it happen? Yes everyday and we see it on the news but the news never shows the people who risk their job to do what right. You really seem to hate corporations and I'd love to hear your solution to your concerns.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by firstdown

You must not have much faith in your fellow Americans. I say more people will do what right and what happens, happens. It sounds like you think more people are willing to throw out any ethics they have for the sake of their job and I just don't think thats true. Does it happen? Yes everyday and we see it on the news but the news never shows the people who risk their job to do what right. You really seem to hate corporations and I'd love to hear your solution to your concerns.

To be fair, I think those who don't have faith in government are right there in the same boat. If the point is, that with more power (corporate or government) comes more opportunity for corruption, than it is not a lack of faith in fellow citizens, just a realization of a natural fact.

The dilemma for me, is that while corporate excesses are usually confined to a limited scope(one company no matter how big), and often highly publicized, and the government is there as a backstop when they occur; government excesses are usually more easily covered up, generally affect the whole public, and there is no real backstop -unless you count the media, but they have no regulatory authority.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

To be fair, I think those who don't have faith in government are right there in the same boat. If the point is, that with more power (corporate or government) comes more opportunity for corruption, than it is not a lack of faith in fellow citizens, just a realization of a natural fact.

The dilemma for me, is that while corporate excesses are usually confined to a limited scope(one company no matter how big), and often highly publicized, and the government is there as a backstop when they occur; government excesses are usually more easily covered up, generally affect the whole public, and there is no real backstop -unless you count the media, but they have no regulatory authority.

I guess thats fair and GD could say I have no faith in man in reguards to how I feel about goverment.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Here's the new Org/Flow Chart for the House version of Obama Care.

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/...ealth-Plan.pdf

Now that I see this, I'm sure it will reduce the cost of health care in the U.S. :frusty: I wonder what goes on in the Health Insurance Exchange box. PFM, I guess.

An interesting number I heard this morning. From Bush's Prescription Drug program (which he and the folks voting for it in Congress should be kicked in the nuts a few hundred times for), the inital cost was estimated at $ 300M over 10 years, before a single prescription was filled the cost had balloned to over $ 900M over 10 years.

At a current estimate of $ 1T - 1.5T over 10 years, multiplied by 3, we're looking at $ 3 - 4.5T added to the national debt, for health care reform alone. To do what, extend coverage to approximately 20M people? This is lunacy.

Unless I lost track of zeros, if you estimate the cost of a private insurance plan for an average, single, healthy person at approximately $ 1,500 / yr. then multiply by 20M, you wind up with $ 30B / yr., over 10 years we're looking at $ 300B, say $ 400B for inflation. That sure looks a lot better than $3-4.5T. This could be done with a voucher or tax credit and could be modified/scaled back/cancelled relatively easily.

Why are the Dems pushing their MASSIVE expansion of gov't so hard if the same problem can be solved much more cost effectively.....answer, the more dependent folks are on gov't the closer we become to true European socialism(the far left-wing of the Dems ultimate goal). The Fed gov't can grab more of our money (freedom) under the guise of "providing health care for the less fortunate". This is nothing more than a power grab by Premier Obama and his comrades on the left.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by firstdown

You must not have much fath in your fellow Americans. I say more people will do what right and what happens, happens. It sounds like you think more people are willing to throw out any ethics they have for the sake of their job and I just don't think thats true. Does it happen? Yes everyday and we see it on the news but the news never shows the people who risk their job to do what right. You really seem to hate corporations and I'd love to hear your solution to your concerns.

You're right. It's not most, but some. I don't hate corporations, but I feel they can easily go astray with just a few bad executives.

LOL @ SS

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

You're right. It's not most, but some. I don't hate corporations, but I feel they can easily go astray with just a few bad executives.

LOL @ SS

Tell me that isn't you