Jurgensen thinks Campbell will be back

[SmootSmack]

When the Browns talk to Holmgren it's "The Browns are taking decisive action now to make fundamental changes to the organization" When the Redskins talk to Shanahan it's "Dan Snyder has no patience, he's always meddling"

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

When the Browns talk to Holmgren it's "The Browns are taking decisive action now to make fundamental changes to the organization" When the Redskins talk to Shanahan it's "Dan Snyder has no patience, he's always meddling"

Smack, I would actually enjoy the privledge of being able to ask Mr. Snyder what he considers his credentials to be that favors him being so heavily involved in the day to day operation of the team.

I know it's his team and he can do what he wants, but he does not have a football resume, his success is rooted elsewhere. He's a ten year owner now, and I'm convinced that had he had some history where professional sports are concerned, the team would not have been and continue to be a revolving door.

He consistently maintains the fact he want's to win and I really believe he does. What's so difficult for him to take a step back, hire the people who know how to do what he's "trying" to do and evaluate it's success or failure? I would think even he would look at his body of work since becoming owner and say to himself this is not working, and ask himself what can I do to make it better as oposed to constantly dismissing personnel when the team fails to win on a timeline.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Smack, I would actually enjoy the privledge of being able to ask Mr. Snyder what he considers his credentials to be that favors him being so heavily involved in the day to day operation of the team.

I know it's his team and he can do what he wants, but he does not have a football resume, his success is rooted elsewhere. He's a ten year owner now, and I'm convinced that had he had some history where professional sports are concerned, the team would not have been and continue to be a revolving door.

He consistently maintains the fact he want's to win and I really believe he does. What's so difficult for him to take a step back, hire the people who know how to do what he's "trying" to do and evaluate it's success or failure? I would think even he would look at his body of work since becoming owner and say to himself this is not working, and ask himself what can I do to make it better as oposed to constantly dismissing personnel when the team fails to win on a timeline.

I'm pretty sure he'd give you the answer you gave yourself. He's been an owner for the past 10 years, spending each and every day involved in football operations. He'd say he understands the NFL and how it works and he has a vision on how to build a winner. Like it or not, he's got a decade of experience with players, coaches, front office, the salary cap, league personnel, etc. He has 'credentials' on paper. Now the reality is that the results have been mediocre. 2 playoff appearances, 1 playoff win is not getting it done. He will admit he's made mistakes and strongly state his desire to win (which I believe) but will also remain committed to doing it his way.

At the end of the conversation you'd probably wish you hadn't had it because you'd be more frustrated than you were before!

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I'm pretty sure he'd give you the answer you gave yourself. He's been an owner for the past 10 years, spending each and every day involved in football operations. He'd say he understands the NFL and how it works and he has a vision on how to build a winner. Like it or not, he's got a decade of experience with players, coaches, front office, the salary cap, league personnel, etc. He has 'credentials' on paper. Now the reality is that the results have been mediocre. 2 playoff appearances, 1 playoff win is not getting it done. He will admit he's made mistakes and strongly state his desire to win (which I believe) but will also remain committed to doing it his way.

At the end of the conversation you'd probably wish you hadn't had it because you'd be more frustrated than you were before!

I'm convinced you're right, and what you mention is probably why he's adopted the slogan of "if it ain't broke don't fix it." His philosophy has been steadfast even before he gained the experience he has over his period of ownership.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

When the Browns talk to Holmgren it's "The Browns are taking decisive action now to make fundamental changes to the organization" When the Redskins talk to Shanahan it's "Dan Snyder has no patience, he's always meddling"

It's a totally different situation. It looks like Lerner is trying to start from the very top and work his way down. Hire top football guy, let him hire the coach, scouts and so on. That's not the case here. Snyder is trying to get Shanahan DURING the season. Sorry but that's meddling.