Sam Bradford remains projected pick to Redskins

[SKINS73]

I'm trying real hard to understand the, "We need a quarterback in the first couple of rounds" logic. I'm not trying to insult those of you who believe we should draft a QB, I'm just saying that I don't understand it. Campbell falls right in the middle of almost all NFL QBs statistically. If you think anyone else would have done better this year you're taking crazy pills. I'd like to have a top 5 QB too, but we have no idea what we're going to end up with. Imagine spending the next 3 years trying to groom a JaMarcus Russell. JC may not be the long term answer but he can certainly help get the Redskins through the rebuilding phase. Why don't we replace the players who suck instead of replacing the players who are average? Can anyone say, with a straight face, that we need to replace the QB before we address several line positions, at least one RB or a secondary that got us a whopping 10 interceptions so far this year? You have to take the best player in any of those three areas first. Shouldn't the horrible areas of the team be addressed before the average areas are??

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SKINS73

I'm trying real hard to understand the, "We need a quarterback in the first couple of rounds" logic. I'm not trying to insult those of you who believe we should draft a QB, I'm just saying that I don't understand it. Campbell falls right in the middle of almost all NFL QBs statistically. If you think anyone else would have done better this year you're taking crazy pills. I'd like to have a top 5 QB too, but we have no idea what we're going to end up with. Imagine spending the next 3 years trying to groom a JaMarcus Russell. JC may not be the long term answer but he can certainly help get the Redskins through the rebuilding phase. Why don't we replace the players who suck instead of replacing the players who are average? Can anyone say, with a straight face, that we need to replace the QB before we address several line positions, at least one RB or a secondary that got us a whopping 10 interceptions so far this year? You have to take the best player in any of those three areas first. Shouldn't the horrible areas of the team be addressed before the average areas are??

If we don't think Campbell is the long term answer why not see what you can get for him now and rebuild with the QB of the future? I mean why not go through the rebuilding phase with the QB we want to rebuild with?

We shouldn't draft a offensive lineman in the first round just to say we drafted one. At at #5 if Okung isn't the guy we take then that's basically what we're doing.

[SKINS73]

^ I actually think that with an average line and an average supporting cast Campbell might be more productive. I can't say for sure, but he deserves a chance to compete at the very least. If Okung is gone then I wouldn't mind picking up Spiller or Berry, not a QB.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by SKINS73

^ I actually think that with an average line and an average supporting cast Campbell might be more productive. I can't say for sure, but he deserves a chance to compete at the very least. If Okung is gone then I wouldn't mind picking up Spiller or Berry, not a QB.

Berry? Whom do you speak?

[SKINS73]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

Berry? Whom do you speak?

Eric Berry, from Tennesse. He set the NCAA record for interception return yards, is a ball-hawk and a vicious hitter. Basically everything we DON'T have right now in our secondary.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SKINS73

Eric Berry, from Tennesse. He set the NCAA record for interception return yards, is a ball-hawk and a vicious hitter. Basically everything we DON'T have right now in our secondary.

Basically the next Troy Polamalu or Ed Reed. Either way he's expected to get to that top tier by 2013. Could easily be the highest safety selected in the history of the league, he's that highly regarded.

Mel Kiper:
Analysis: Ultimate playmaker, in the Ed Reed mold.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SKINS73

^ I actually think that with an average line and an average supporting cast Campbell might be more productive. I can't say for sure, but he deserves a chance to compete at the very least. If Okung is gone then I wouldn't mind picking up Spiller or Berry, not a QB.

But let's suppose Bruce Allen came out and said "Jason Campbell is not the long-term answer for us" Would you rather they just let him go now and start fresh with someone else asap or let him hang around for another year even though he's not in the long term plans.

Spiller would be very exciting (though I think I slightly, very, slightly prefer Best). Still, I'd be kind of curious to see what Alridge can bring to the table given the opportunity. And combine that with drafting Dwyer-we'd have to trade into the 2nd probably-I would like that

Berry is a total stud...but I don't want to draft anymore DBs right now. Other than maybe LB, I'd rather not draft any defensive players.

I think too much of a fuss is being made about Bradford's shoulder injury. You'd think he had his arm amputated the way some talk about it

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

But let's suppose Bruce Allen came out and said "Jason Campbell is not the long-term answer for us" Would you rather they just let him go now and start fresh with someone else asap or let him hang around for another year even though he's not in the long term plans.

Exactly and keep in mind having a rookie QB doesn't mean your throwing in the towel for the season. Even the Jets are going to the playoffs with Mark Sanchez at the helm. And lets not forget the Ravens and the Falcons both making the playoffs with rookie QB's in 08.

Plus the most telling stat is probably what Shannahan was able to do with Cutler in his rookie year with an 88 rating in the 5 games he started his rookie year.

I fear that even if we make the playoffs with JC we won't be able to even make it to the NFC championship let alone win the Super Bowl. Keep in mind this is a team that wants to win a Super Bowl, not simply make the playoffs. I know it's been beaten to death but I don't want to settle for mediocrity. If we're going to be a championship contender year in and year out we're going to need a true franchise QB. The kind of guy that makes you feel like the Saints, Colts, Steelers, and Patriots feel every week they go into a game. All thats left is to have our competent front office decide if we can develop that guy into the player we need him to be.

Also as Smoot has said before Drew Brees had similar shoulder problems going into free agency

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Why risk taking Bradford who has had his shoulder messed up twice in the same season? If he takes a hit and his shoulder pops again you just wasted another #1 draft pick on a kid that will never produce for you. Too much QB talent available in 2010 just to go for the overhyped Big 4 trap.

Again Drew Brees had similar shoulder problems going into free agency.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

But let's suppose Bruce Allen came out and said "Jason Campbell is not the long-term answer for us" Would you rather they just let him go now and start fresh with someone else asap or let him hang around for another year even though he's not in the long term plans.

Spiller would be very exciting (though I think I slightly, very, slightly prefer Best). Still, I'd be kind of curious to see what Alridge can bring to the table given the opportunity. And combine that with drafting Dwyer-we'd have to trade into the 2nd probably-I would like that

Berry is a total stud...but I don't want to draft anymore DBs right now. Other than maybe LB, I'd rather not draft any defensive players.

I think too much of a fuss is being made about Bradford's shoulder injury. You'd think he had his arm amputated the way some talk about it

Well, outside of the fact that we'd have another Vinny on our hands, then yes, you'd have to move him one way or another.

[Dirtbag59]

[SKINS73]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

But let's suppose Bruce Allen came out and said "Jason Campbell is not the long-term answer for us" Would you rather they just let him go now and start fresh with someone else asap or let him hang around for another year even though he's not in the long term plans.

Hopefully Bruce Allen doesn't come out and say that because that would be a Vinny move and undermine the little confidence JC has now. I'm not even a JC fan, I'm trying to look at things pragmatically. We, as fans, get intoxicated when we see a rookie QB turn into a stud. Teams with successful rookie QBs already have a line and even an average RB to boot. Since LT broke Joe's leg the QB position has always been an issue for Washington. In the Super Bowls we won our trademark was an over-powering offensive line, not a star QB. Bring it back to smashmouth run-first-no-matter-how-many-people-you-have-in-the-box-cause-you-can't-stop-us-if-you-tried football. That is Redskin football. Run the I with Spiller and put Davis in front of him with Cooley on the line, DT and Moss on the outside. I know some of you will laugh at my wishful thinking! Whatever the Redskins decide to do I will support; however, could you be happy seeing Bradford drafted when Okung is on the board? Bradford drafted when Spiller is available, or Bradford drafted when Berry is out there?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SKINS73

Hopefully Bruce Allen doesn't come out and say that because that would be a Vinny move and undermine the little confidence JC has now. I'm not even a JC fan, I'm trying to look at things pragmatically. We, as fans, get intoxicated when we see a rookie QB turn into a stud. Teams with successful rookie QBs already have a line and even an average RB to boot. Since LT broke Joe's leg the QB position has always been an issue for Washington. In the Super Bowls we won our trademark was an over-powering offensive line, not a star QB. Bring it back to smashmouth run-first-no-matter-how-many-people-you-have-in-the-box-cause-you-can't-stop-us-if-you-tried football. That is Redskin football. Run the I with Spiller and put Davis in front of him with Cooley on the line, DT and Moss on the outside. I know some of you will laugh at my wishful thinking! Whatever the Redskins decide to do I will support; however, could you be happy seeing Bradford drafted when Okung is on the board? Bradford drafted when Spiller is available, or Bradford drafted when Berry is out there?

If I remember right the Falcons O-Line gave up over 50 sacks the year before Ryan was drafted, and even though they drafted Sam Baker in the first round he was limited to 5 starts and 8 gp. They basically took that same line that gave up a large amount of sacks and with proper coaching got it to near the top of the league in terms of sacks allowed. Now I'm definitely not saying that we go into next year with the same O-Line, far from it in fact. Maybe the Falcons are the exception to the rule, maybe they had talent but the coaching was horrible. The point is we will probably have a revamped O-Line next year, and we don't need to spend a first round pick to do it. By the same token we would need to make sure that one of our 1st two picks is an O-Lineman, that much I'm sure of.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

If I remember right the Falcons O-Line gave up over 50 sacks the year before Ryan was drafted, and even though they drafted Sam Baker in the first round he was limited to 5 starts and 8 gp. They basically took that same line that gave up a large amount of sacks and with proper coaching got it to near the top of the league in terms of sacks allowed. Now I'm definitely not saying that we go into next year with the same O-Line, far from it in fact. Maybe the Falcons are the exception to the rule, maybe they had talent but the coaching was horrible. The point is we will probably have a revamped O-Line next year, and we don't need to spend a first round pick to do it. By the same token we would need to make sure that one of our 1st two picks is an O-Lineman, that much I'm sure of.

In my opinion Micheal Turner made that line a better pass blocking group. Plus, I believe they are a bit younger than the aging overpaid guys we have. You can coach talent, I dont believe we have any upfront. Dockery maybe, Reinhert maybe, but everyone else is either too damn old, injury prone or just sucks (Heyer!)

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SKINS73

Hopefully Bruce Allen doesn't come out and say that because that would be a Vinny move and undermine the little confidence JC has now. I'm not even a JC fan, I'm trying to look at things pragmatically. We, as fans, get intoxicated when we see a rookie QB turn into a stud. Teams with successful rookie QBs already have a line and even an average RB to boot. Since LT broke Joe's leg the QB position has always been an issue for Washington. In the Super Bowls we won our trademark was an over-powering offensive line, not a star QB. Bring it back to smashmouth run-first-no-matter-how-many-people-you-have-in-the-box-cause-you-can't-stop-us-if-you-tried football. That is Redskin football. Run the I with Spiller and put Davis in front of him with Cooley on the line, DT and Moss on the outside. I know some of you will laugh at my wishful thinking! Whatever the Redskins decide to do I will support; however, could you be happy seeing Bradford drafted when Okung is on the board? Bradford drafted when Spiller is available, or Bradford drafted when Berry is out there?

-Suppose he only told you

-It's possible to select your QB and LT of the future in the same draft. Long and Henne, Baker and Ryan

-I think I've said a few times that Okung should be the first choice. Not sure Spiller should be taken that high. He's tempting though. I think Berry will be gone and even if he's not I'd rather develop the safeties we have (maybe take Nate Allen later in the draft)

[SKINS73]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

-Suppose he only told you

-It's possible to select your QB and LT of the future in the same draft. Long and Henne, Baker and Ryan

-I think I've said a few times that Okung should be the first choice. Not sure Spiller should be taken that high. He's tempting though. I think Berry will be gone and even if he's not I'd rather develop the safeties we have (maybe take Nate Allen later in the draft)

If BA doesn't tell JC that we're sticking with him 100% I think JC will just sign somewhere else. There are probably several teams that would give him a multi-year deal and better security than Washington if he's not assured of a shot at being number 1. If we draft a rookie QB in round 1 or 2 Campbell will leave before the season. I know I wouldn't stick around to groom my replacement while getting hit after every pass.

We could draft a QB and LT in the same draft, I just think we shouldn't spend an early round pick on a QB.

Berry is a game changer. Everything in me says to draft the next best lineman (Williams) or Spiller, but it would be hard for anyone to pass Berry up. If I have to watch Landry in coverage for any longer I am going to go insane yelling at my TV.