Different Season, Same Trap

[sandtrapjack]

I love optimism as much as the next guy. But from the outside looking in, besides the coach and GM this team still has essentially the same face.

Got McNabb, sure. But is not this team reputed to be one that tends to sign big names that are past thier prime? How is this any different?

And such lofty predictions even BEFORE the draft, before mini camps, before the roster is solidified. Way too much can happen between now and September.

And do you really think enough is being done to improve by 6 or 7 wins? Last time that happened was 1999 when the Rams went 13-3 after a 3-13 season in 1998.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

I love optimism as much as the next guy. But from the outside looking in, besides the coach and GM this team still has essentially the same face.

Got McNabb, sure. But is not this team reputed to be one that tends to sign big names that are past thier prime? How is this any different?

And such lofty predictions even BEFORE the draft, before mini camps, before the roster is solidified. Way too much can happen between now and September.

And do you really think enough is being done to improve by 6 or 7 wins? Last time that happened was 1999 when the Rams went 13-3 after a 3-13 season in 1998.

All that does is state that it can happen, and we actually could be lowballing projections for the Wins department! thats all. and if there is a coach that could make a drastic turnaround like that, Id take shanny any day of the week, and twice on sundays!

[Longtimefan]

I'm just hoping my rooting for McNabb now that he's a Redskin will yield better results than the times I rooted for him as an Eagle.

After rooting for Donovan in every big game he's played in and been dissapointed more often than not, I can imagine what it must have been like for Eagle fans. I won't find it odd rooting for him now that he's here, and if he can stay healthy he will improve our W/L record........to what extent I'm not sure.

I'll continue to be optomistic about the team's ability to improve until there's clear evidence to the contrary.

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

I love optimism as much as the next guy. But from the outside looking in, besides the coach and GM this team still has essentially the same face.

Got McNabb, sure. But is not this team reputed to be one that tends to sign big names that are past thier prime? How is this any different?

And such lofty predictions even BEFORE the draft, before mini camps, before the roster is solidified. Way too much can happen between now and September.

And do you really think enough is being done to improve by 6 or 7 wins? Last time that happened was 1999 when the Rams went 13-3 after a 3-13 season in 1998.

I bet you wear Dale Hanson PJ's

[CRedskinsRule]

Wow, I am still not sold on the Skins transformation, but if it could be any more poorly described, I am not sure how.

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

I love optimism as much as the next guy. But from the outside looking in, besides the coach and GM this team still has essentially the same face.

Let's see we cut 10 "good team players" before free agency. Not a cost saving move or cap saving move, purely a football ability and team direction move. Not really the same face at all

Got McNabb, sure. But is not this team reputed to be one that tends to sign big names that are past thier prime? How is this any different?

You won't get me making a huge defense for McNabb, at the same time a 34yo QB who was in the PB very recently, and has led his team to the playoffs and was released because of his team's decision and was not a FA looking for a big payday.

And such lofty predictions even BEFORE the draft, before mini camps, before the roster is solidified. Way too much can happen between now and September.

Wow, I bet I go to any fan board and they are talking about how their team will be competitive. This is a shocking situation.

And do you really think enough is being done to improve by 6 or 7 wins? Last time that happened was 1999 when the Rams went 13-3 after a 3-13 season in 1998.

2002-2003 Dallas 5-11 to 10-6
1989-1990 Dallas 1-15 to 7-9
2007-2008 Miami 1-15 to 11-5 (nice you forgot that one)
1998-1999 Rams 3-13 to 13-3

So it has happened on occasion.

Really, your comments were that of a Dallas fan with no clue. You usually are better than that.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Wow, I am still not sold on the Skins transformation, but if it could be any more poorly described, I am not sure how.

Let's see we cut 10 "good team players" before free agency. Not a cost saving move or cap saving move, purely a football ability and team direction move. Not really the same face at all
You won't get me making a huge defense for McNabb, at the same time a 34yo QB who was in the PB very recently, and has led his team to the playoffs and was released because of his team's decision and was not a FA looking for a big payday.

Wow, I bet I go to any fan board and they are talking about how their team will be competitive. This is a shocking situation.

2002-2003 Dallas 5-11 to 10-6
1989-1990 Dallas 1-15 to 7-9
2007-2008 Miami 1-15 to 11-5 (nice you forgot that one)
1998-1999 Rams 3-13 to 13-3

So it has happened on occasion.

Really, your comments were that of a Dallas fan with no clue. You usually are better than that.

The only point I was trying to make was it is way too early to make W/L predictions.

ONE: We dont even have the season schedule yet
TWO: We don't know who is going to be on the roster yet.
THREE: The only thing that has happened thus far is the ink is still wet on a couple of contracts, and the guys have only been lifting weights together for about 10 days now.
FOUR: Not one practice has occured. McNabb "played catch" with Cooley and Kelly.

But allow me to enlighted you on one particular fact. Those 10 payers that the Redskins cut, it was most certainly a cost saving measure. To think otherwise just advertises that it is you that has no clue.

At the end of the day, what has really transpired thus far?
Released 10 players
Signed 8 players thus far and only ONE of those players is under 30 (but will turn 30 mid-season)

I agree, to a point, with the threads topic. SSDD. All the free-agents, and trades acquired are all on the wrong side of 30.

I might be wrong, and for the fans sake I hope I am. But honestly, when you really look at what has transpired, besides coaching, what has changed?

Still trading draft picks for players on the wrong side of 30. Still signing free agents on the wrong side of 30.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

The only point I was trying to make was it is way too early to make W/L predictions.

ONE: We dont even have the season schedule yet
TWO: We don't know who is going to be on the roster yet.
THREE: The only thing that has happened thus far is the ink is still wet on a couple of contracts, and the guys have only been lifting weights together for about 10 days now.
FOUR: Not one practice has occured. McNabb "played catch" with Cooley and Kelly.

IF you had stopped here we would have been in FULL AGREEMENT

but you went on...

But allow me to enlighted you on one particular fact. Those 10 payers that the Redskins cut, it was most certainly a cost saving measure. To think otherwise just advertises that it is you that has no clue.

If you look at the players they cut, they could have been kept for minimal costs, but they were all players who, to a large degree were living on past recognition, or locker room presence. Most were players who should have been gone but previous regimes kept for whatever reason (sometimes cap). To think those specific 10 were cut solely for a cost saving measure is wrong.

At the end of the day, what has really transpired thus far?
Released 10 players
Signed 8 players thus far and only ONE of those players is under 30 (but will turn 30 mid-season)

I agree, to a point, with the threads topic. SSDD. All the free-agents, and trades acquired are all on the wrong side of 30.

I might be wrong, and for the fans sake I hope I am. But honestly, when you really look at what has transpired, besides coaching, what has changed?

Still trading draft picks for players on the wrong side of 30. Still signing free agents on the wrong side of 30.

What has changed is that we are not signing the highest price FA available, regardless of fit, and we are trading draft picks within what a reasonable FO would do. (possibly)

Finally, one big change is the fact that, as many threads have said, the culture of entitlement is being weeded out.

That is a far cry from the thinking that we bring in one Julius Peppers and think man now we have it all.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

The only point I was trying to make was it is way too early to make W/L predictions.

ONE: We dont even have the season schedule yet
TWO: blah blah blah...

We know we'll beat Dallas and Philly twice...there's 4 wins already.

[right21arm]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

I love optimism as much as the next guy. But from the outside looking in, besides the coach and GM this team still has essentially the same face.

Got McNabb, sure. But is not this team reputed to be one that tends to sign big names that are past thier prime? How is this any different?

And such lofty predictions even BEFORE the draft, before mini camps, before the roster is solidified. Way too much can happen between now and September.

And do you really think enough is being done to improve by 6 or 7 wins? Last time that happened was 1999 when the Rams went 13-3 after a 3-13 season in 1998.

hey, cowboys fan, you said it yourself. ANYTHING CAN HAPPEBN. so now i'm going to beat you up. skins 16-0.