Arizona's New Immigration Law

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

AZ is crazy for real. They say all this stuff and want all this attention. That would be like boycotting themselves. I am sure LA does not get power for free from AZ. LA has alot of people. Sounds like a nice wad of cash AZ would be throwing away. Boycotting themsleves. Now if they were providing something for free to LA and then take it away or had an alternative to them then this would work.

Actually, the power would be purchased by someone else. There's always demand for power. AZ would probably come out ahead in the deal as they most likely (don't know for sure) negotiated a long term rate with LA at a discounted price. LA would be the big loser as they would have to go out on the open market again and pay higher rates for the same power....and it would likely be coming from a more distant source (higher transmission costs). I'm sure all the folks the LA politicians were trying to appease aren't going to be too happy with higher power bills each month.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

OKAY! let's balance the budget, then Obama can't do any of his agenda. Would that make you happy? Or is that the real reason you worrying about spending money?

It would make me very happy

That being said, a balanced budget is a major positive (and a should be a requirement) no matter who occupies the WH.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

You spout theories as if they are proven facts. People in this thread consistently say we are not a free market economy, why change to something new (free market theory)? You act like what you are talking about has been going on for some time when in fact it has never been done before. Ask Sammy.

Huh, what'd I say again?

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Huh, what'd I say again?

Amercia has never been a free market economy. Implying if we tried a free market economy it would be something new. In my words a risky experiment.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

got news for you. You trying to sell me on running a country of 300 million people by the same rules as a business with 30 employees? who's gonna give us our small business tax credits and cuts? Who is gonna provide our 300 million people with healthcare? ar you serious? Do you think you think this is a sane analogy? How long have you been smoking outta Ron Paul's meat pipe? Have any computer simulated models?

Let me, firstdown, and any other small business owners on the site know where you find all those "small business tax credits and cuts". We'd all be happy to hear about them.

The only credit that I'm aware of recently is the one where if you hire a previously unemployed worker there's a $ 1000 / yr. credit or so. Most small business are running barebones employee wise in this economy. Unless things make a drastic turn high and to the right, there isn't going to be much hiring in the small business sector.

You also forgot to mention the 3 years increase in the minimum wage from 2007-2009 ($ 5.85 - $ 7.25 / hr.) over 19% in three years. I haven't seen a 19% pay increase during that time, and the revenue from my business hasn't seen a 19% increase either. So who is required to pay the increased wages.....oh right, the small business owner must take from his/her bottom line to cover it.

If Gov't would get out of the way with over-regulation and social engineering, the 300M would be able to obtain cost-effective insurance in the private sector, with the poor qualifying for gov't programs/assistance.

And probably the most important point.....the gov't isn't "giving" us anything with tax credits and cuts. Money (profit) is generated by the small business and is property of the small business owner/s, not the gov't. The tax credits/cuts are just the gov't dictating how much needs to be paid.

P.S. Fairtax eliminates taxes on small business altogether and lets businesses focus and make decisions based on profit, not tax ramifications.

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

It would make me very happy

That being said, a balanced budget is a major positive (and a should be a requirement) no matter who occupies the WH.

One lesson I hope people learn is Wars all have unexpected consequences. The unexpected conseuence of the Iraq excusrsion was our first black president. Next excusrsion's unexpected consequence could wind up being anything.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

Amercia has never been a free market economy. Implying if we tried a free market economy it would be something new. In my words a risky experiment.

There will always be a need for limited gov't regulation of companies/corps./businesses or they can and will act in strictly their own economic interests (to the detriment of the people), so our economy is not a pure free-market economy.

That being said, much of what our gov't calls "regulation" is really social engineering and should be removed. When it is, the free-market flourishes and powers the economy. To be clear, I'm a free-market supporter, with limited gov't regulation to protect the consumer/employees/environment.

[mlmdub130]

it's kinda old news but not posted yet, that i see that is. pretty funny though

Immigration: 7 yr. old girl talks to Michelle Obama on camera; ‘mom doesn’t have papers’ (Video)

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

I was talking to a friend over the weekend who is half Bolivian. His Mom is a legal immigrant from Bolivia. She for this law and is also for enforcing Federal immigration laws, because she thinks its unfair to entitle people who are here illegally with the same benefits she and many others worked so hard to obtain. I will ask my Grandmother who worked hard to become a legal immigrant what her thoughts are.

Out of curiosity, are any of you are first generation legal immigrants and if so what is your attitude of this law?

I talked to my Grandma last night, more specifically Grammy. All she ever wants to talk about is stuff like telling me to work hard, be honest, stay in contact with family and other old lady grandma advice. So when I asked her what she thought about the law she didn’t really go into detail (and I don’t get the sense she is up to date on her current events). She basically said that you have to do the honest thing and coming here illegally is not honest and is wrong. That’s pretty much all I could get out of her.

Grammy immigrated to the US in either the early 50’s or late 40’s when she was like 25 or so, leaving a communist country. My dad was born here, but I think at least one of my aunts was born overseas. Like most immigrants she said they only came with what they could physically carry and had a low amount of money, like 20 bucks or something. She said it took her 5 years to be a citizen (but she had kids born here after she came).

Has anyone else talked to legal immigrants that worked hard to become citizens (or are working hard towards becoming a citizen) and get their view point?

Also, something that im sure will piss TTE off, she told me she just received a call from her insurance company and they reduced her car insurance by 25%! I have never seen her drive in my life and had no idea she had a license. Shes pretty old and im not sure how I feel about her driving.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

wanna move to bama? i hate the tide, but i was sold when he pulled out the shotgun

If Mobile wasn’t ruined because of the bp oil spill at the hands of Obama I might be down. But ive come way to far in life to go anywhere else in Alabama.

[joethiesmanfan]

Bolivia and Mexico are different in my opinion. I will use this analogy: America is a breakfast we have all contributed. Europeans contribution can be summed up as adding egss, Mexicans contribution can be summed up as bacon. We took half of their country and incorporated it into America. That border meant nothing to our ancestors and founding fathers, it has was always been the way it is (traditional values come in to play) Mexico has a special relationship to this country, far different than Bolivia's. Their influence on this country is far greater. It is not the same, and it is fair. Bolivia, what have they contributed to America? Mexico, what have they contributed to America? Our two biggest staes for starters.

[joethiesmanfan]

Disobedient brats no martyrs for freedom - CNN.com

Warning 5 flag boys on Cinco de Mayo. Gentlemen start your engines.

[mredskins]

LOL!

Is Dora The Explorer An Illegal Immigrant? - CBS News

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by mredskins

LOL!

Is Dora The Explorer An Illegal Immigrant? - CBS News

Ha! What about Handy Manny?

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Ha! What about Handy Manny?

Oh yeah! MFer get him!