Andy Reid or Mike Shanahan? Eagles President takes shot at Shanny

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

All those coaches had great drafts, and from those drafts they built strong teams. It wasn't just about the QB's. So with that being said, let's hope that the guy in charge doesn't throw away picks for an aging inaccurate QB and injured 29 year old tackle. You didn't see any of those guys above doing what Shanahan did. Did you?

Like I said, I'm not sold on Shanny. But he won multiple Super Bowls with a great QB, just like those other coaches.

All those other coaches also had GM's drafting for them.

My point was it's not really fair to take anything away from Shanny because he had Elway. To do so, you'd have to say the same for those other coaches. Shanahan has his shortcomings to be sure, but he still hoisted the Lombardi trophy twice.

I worry a lot more about him as the head of personnel than I do as a HC.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

And w/out maybe the best QB of all time what else has he done? What happened when Brian Griese took over? To be honest, I'd rather have Rex Ryan. He seems like a true difference maker.

John Elway couldn't win a Super Bowl without Mike Shanahan.

Look it up.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Buster

John Elway couldn't win a Super Bowl without Mike Shanahan.

Look it up.

Or.... John Elway didn't win a SB w/ out Terrell Davis. Elway took some pretty average teams to 3 straight SB's. That will not be done again. When Denver got better players around him is when they won. Part of that was Shanahan getting good players and coaching them up. He deserves credit for that. I'm saying Shanahna isn't a good coach cause he is, or was.... all I'm saying is he didn't do a good job year one.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Or.... John Elway didn't win a SB w/ out Terrell Davis. Elway took some pretty average teams to 3 straight SB's. That will not be done again. When Denver got better players around him is when they won. Part of that was Shanahan getting good players and coaching them up. He deserves credit for that. I'm saying Shanahna isn't a good coach cause he is, or was.... all I'm saying is he didn't do a good job year one.

Maybe Terrell Davis would not have been so successful without Shanahan's great running scheme?

We could go back and forth for days.

[CrustyRedskin]

Your only as good as your last performance.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

Your only as good as your last performance.

That makes Gibbs suck.

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by 44ever

That makes Gibbs suck.

I thought his last performance wasnt half bad. Although a lot of critics see that since he didnt win a SB it was a failure. To make the palyoffs 2 outa 4 years with that group was pretty impresive to me. Plus the loss of ST. Gibbs II was a lot better than we had been doing the previous years.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

I thought his last performance wasnt half bad. Although a lot of critics see that since he didnt win a SB it was a failure. To make the palyoffs 2 outa 4 years with that group was pretty impresive to me. Plus the loss of ST. Gibbs II was a lot better than we had been doing the previous years.

I agree. but by the "your only as good as your last performance" then puts Gibbs in the "wasn't half bad" slot. We know different thou.

Skins are a tough team to coach. The last 2 decades of history proves that.

[SolidSnake84]

This is kind of a pot calling the kettle black type of debate.

There is some busting on Reid here for not winning a superbowl during his time with the eagles...Andy Reid with Jeff Lurie has achieved 1 superbowl appearance, countless NFC Championships. Andy Reid has had only 2 truly poor season, his first as coach, and the second coming when he lost McNabb in 2005 and had no capable backup QB. Almost every year they make the playoffs.

Dan Snyder, with his revolving door of coaches, has had only 3 playoff appearances. A losing season each year except for 1999, 2005, and 2007. Never had an NFC Championship with Snyder. Will likely never have a SB with Danny as owner. I find it laughable that anybody would bash Reid and the eagles, while comparing them to Dan Snyder and the Redskins.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

This is kind of a pot calling the kettle black type of debate.

There is some busting on Reid here for not winning a superbowl during his time with the eagles...Andy Reid with Jeff Lurie has achieved 1 superbowl appearance, countless NFC Championships. Andy Reid has had only 2 truly poor season, his first as coach, and the second coming when he lost McNabb in 2005 and had no capable backup QB. Almost every year they make the playoffs.

Dan Snyder, with his revolving door of coaches, has had only 3 playoff appearances. A losing season each year except for 1999, 2005, and 2007. Never had an NFC Championship with Snyder. Will likely never have a SB with Danny as owner. I find it laughable that anybody would bash Reid and the eagles, while comparing them to Dan Snyder and the Redskins.

He's had two cause the 99 team was already put together for him. So to me that's two playoff appearances in 11 seasons.

[skinsfaninok]

Reid is a solid coach but the inability for him to run the ball has killed them in the past especially in big games.. Shanahan has won 2 SBs yeah he had elway but in all fairness 7 didn't win a title before shanny. I'd take mike over Andy anyday

[diehardskin2982]

It is easy to take a shot at the last placed team in the division. Once things are turned around we will smash the eagles twice on the way to the superbowl.

Until Philly wins one then they can talk. If you count Shanny's two that's a total of 5 superbowls between franchise and coach to zero in philly with Reid. That dude needs some class!

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

It is easy to take a shot at the last placed team in the division. Once things are turned around we will smash the eagles twice on the way to the superbowl.

Until Philly wins one then they can talk. If you count Shanny's two that's a total of 5 superbowls between franchise and coach to zero in philly with Reid. That dude needs some class!

If your counting that way doesn't Reid get 1 with GB.

[diehardskin2982]

Originally Posted by firstdown

If your counting that way doesn't Reid get 1 with GB.

I counting the superbowls only as the headcoach. If I counted that way then I would also count the superbowls for Shanny in San Fran.

[MTK]

Yes they are both good coaches, not denying that, one just happens to have 2 rings and his name isn't Reid. Fact.