Ron Paul to Run for President

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

First let me say that I'm in no way questioning your love of country or Ron Paul's for that matter.

I don't know if Ron Paul is a pacifist, but I maintain I'm not sure if he would, under extreme circumstances, stand up and defend this nation. In a recent interview Mr. Paul said he wouldn't haven't killed bin Laden. He would have cooperated with the Pakistani government to try to bring bin Laden to justice and uphold the rule of law. These are his words. So I have a very difficult time reconciling his stance on matters of protecting our national interests with his interpretation of the Constitution and upholding the rule of law. I believe he's a good man, but following the Constitution to the letter can sometimes be a tricky proposition and doesn't guarantee that we will be at peace with the world.

Whether or not we can draw a straight line from our sometimes flawed foreign policy towards Arab nations over the past 60 years to the atrocities of 9/11 is somewhat of an open question, to be honest. Did the unprovoked invasion of Iraq fuel hatred towards the West, I believe so. (see my final comment below) But on the other hand, muslims are also guilty of murdering and oppressing muslims by the thousands through repressive regimes, without any U.S. involvement or military intervention. Interestingly enough, though, we're now seeing the Arab world reach out to the United States to get involved with the new wave of democracy spreading across the region. So no, it's not all about us shoving our way of living up their asses.

We both agree with your following statement: Marching all over the world, and acting like the police chief of the planet Earth isn't 'national defense'. It pisses people off, and we shouldn't be surprised when it comes back to bite us.

Sorry but look at Obama's flip flops after he got into office and got to see what was really going on behind closed doors. I'd say the same thing will probably happen with another new president no matter who they are. Gitmo is a good example.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Sorry but look at Obama's flip flops after he got into office and got to see what was really going on behind closed doors. I'd say the same thing will probably happen with another new president no matter who they are. Gitmo is a good example.

What did Obama flip flop on?

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

What did Obama flip flop on?

PolitiFact | The Obameter: Campaign Promises that are Promise Broken

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

PolitiFact | The Obameter: Campaign Promises that are Promise Broken

If you're keeping score, they have him at 135 promises kept, 42 promises broken, 40 promises compromised.

For instance, click on the link of Obama's promise to create a $10 billion foreclosure fund or the one where he promises to double the size of Peace Corps. Politifact gives a convoluted and drawn out explanation as to why they categorize these as a "broken" promise. None of them are cut and dry as advertised. Some of them fall more into the category of compromise.

Still, I like Politifact and how they hold our officials, including the president, accountable.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

What did Obama flip flop on?

Iraq, Gitmo, having terrorist trials here in the states (that one he tried but realized it was a bad idea). Actually flip flop is the fun name to use when a politician flips on an issue but I 'll have to say I think Obama change his opinion on some issues after getting briefed and seeing the dangers we face. He has actually made some moves I was surprised with

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Iraq, Gitmo, having terrorist trials here in the states (that one he tried but realized it was a bad idea). Actually flip flop is the fun name to use when a politician flips on an issue but I 'll have to say I think Obama change his opinion on some issues after getting briefed and seeing the dangers we face. He has actually made some moves I was surprised with

I think they're still going to close Gitmo, it was just much, much harder than they anticipated. He'll get it done though. Iraq, I believe he's on schedule drawing down that occupation, no?