And with the 6th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the redskins select...........

[Shadowbyte]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Knowing how the NFL works, Mike Shanahan is no doubt aware that he will likely be fired if the Redskins do not improve significantly in the win column next season. Now he faces the dilemma of the Coach/GM. As GM, he's building a team but he's not in a position where he can start a rookie QB because, as HC, he'll be fired if he has a poor season in 2012.

Basically, he messed up by not drafting his Franchise QB candidate before now. Now, the answer is probably going to be acquiring a good young QB with NFL experience or a stopgap veteran, either through FA or trade.

Shanahan is definitely scrambling to get a QB. We'll see what happens next.

You bring up a great point. I never thought of it but you're right; Shannahan can't afford to draft a rookie QB and go 6 and 10 next year and expect to keep his job. So the impetus will be acquiring an experienced NFL QB (Matt Flynn). Based on this revelation I'm going to assume that Shannahan will go buck-wild in free agency this year to secure the best WR talent available (Desean Jackson/Vincent Jackson).

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Shadowbyte

You bring up a great point. I never thought of it but you're right; Shannahan can't afford to draft a rookie QB and go 6 and 10 next year and expect to keep his job. So the impetus will be acquiring an experienced NFL QB (Matt Flynn). Based on this revelation I'm going to assume that Shannahan will go buck-wild in free agency this year to secure the best WR talent available (Desean Jackson/Vincent Jackson).

well, there's also bowe, wayne, wallace, colston (i believe)... plenty of WR talent this year.

and if barkley left we'd be in the perfect spot to get our QB too. things broke badly for us. oh well.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Shadowbyte

You bring up a great point. I never thought of it but you're right; Shannahan can't afford to draft a rookie QB and go 6 and 10 next year and expect to keep his job. So the impetus will be acquiring an experienced NFL QB (Matt Flynn). Based on this revelation I'm going to assume that Shannahan will go buck-wild in free agency this year to secure the best WR talent available (Desean Jackson/Vincent Jackson).

Completely disagree. Think of his first two offseasons- the first is an uncapped year with very little available as far as free agents, and a draft that had Sam Bradford and not much else for QB's. This past offseason was a labor stoppage and a draft that had some reaches at QB in the 1st round.

Sure it sucks that we have to wait until season 3 of Shanahan to get our potential franchise QB moving forward, but what good does it do to fire Shanahan if he's not a 10 win coach in his first year with his new (and likely rookie) QB?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Completely disagree. Think of his first two offseasons- the first is an uncapped year with very little available as far as free agents, and a draft that had Sam Bradford and not much else for QB's. This past offseason was a labor stoppage and a draft that had some reaches at QB in the 1st round.

Sure it sucks that we have to wait until season 3 of Shanahan to get our potential franchise QB moving forward, but what good does it do to fire Shanahan if he's not a 10 win coach in his first year with his new (and likely rookie) QB?

Agreed. Developing a rookie QB buys Shanahan more time.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Agreed. Developing a rookie QB buys Shanahan more time.

I would have thought that last year.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Completely disagree. Think of his first two offseasons- the first is an uncapped year with very little available as far as free agents, and a draft that had Sam Bradford and not much else for QB's. This past offseason was a labor stoppage and a draft that had some reaches at QB in the 1st round.

Sure it sucks that we have to wait until season 3 of Shanahan to get our potential franchise QB moving forward, but what good does it do to fire Shanahan if he's not a 10 win coach in his first year with his new (and likely rookie) QB?

Exactly. There is no upside to having a rookie QB and then firing the coach. This is offseason 1A of the Shanahan regime.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Exactly. There is no upside to having a rookie QB and then firing the coach. This is offseason 1A of the Shanahan regime.

Unless there is an available HC who would likely do better at developing that rookie (franchise) QB...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Exactly. There is no upside to having a rookie QB and then firing the coach. This is offseason 1A of the Shanahan regime.

/looks at calendar

I, um, don't agree?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

/looks at calendar

I, um, don't agree?

Lol, I know.. Goes back to my interpretation of the 'plan'.. 2010 he didn't do anything to build longterm so I'm not considering that in the 'rebuild'.. 2011 was lockout shortened/impacted but he worked exclusively on rebuilding the defense in the draft and free agency. 2012 will be focused on rebuilding the offense in free agency and the draft.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Completely disagree. Think of his first two offseasons- the first is an uncapped year with very little available as far as free agents, and a draft that had Sam Bradford and not much else for QB's. This past offseason was a labor stoppage and a draft that had some reaches at QB in the 1st round.

Sure it sucks that we have to wait until season 3 of Shanahan to get our potential franchise QB moving forward, but what good does it do to fire Shanahan if he's not a 10 win coach in his first year with his new (and likely rookie) QB?

You're exactly correct! I've argued that the first season shouldn't even be considered under evaluation, because Shanahan wanted to simply evaluate the players who were already on the team. He brought in new players in positions where it was obvious that the 'skins needed help, but other than that, he truly didn't know what type of team he was inheriting. The true start of purge and rebuild didn't start until last offseason, but a lot of that was hampered by the lockout. So, this will be the first complete offseason in which Mike Shanahan and the rest of the coaching staff can execute their offseason plans without any road blocks.

So, with that being said, it MAY not be necessary for the Redskins to give up a lot to secure another QB for next season. Don't get me wrong, the Redskins NEED a QB, but they also need to stick with the plan of continuing to build the TEAM and its depth and not get caught up in drafting a QB just to be drafting a QB. I think Shanahan wants to knock it out of the park in regards to landing a franchise QB, and that might not be possible with the way THIS offseason is going to be. I would be more or less disappointed that we'd have to endure another year of Rex Grossman, but ultimately, I LOVE the idea of having a solid team built and in place for a young quarterback to come in and develop.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

You're exactly correct! I've argued that the first season shouldn't even be considered under evaluation, because Shanahan wanted to simply evaluate the players who were already on the team. He brought in new players in positions where it was obvious that the 'skins needed help, but other than that, he truly didn't know what type of team he was inheriting. The true start of purge and rebuild didn't start until last offseason, but a lot of that was hampered by the lockout. So, this will be the first complete offseason in which Mike Shanahan and the rest of the coaching staff can execute their offseason plans without any road blocks.

So, with that being said, it MAY not be necessary for the Redskins to give up a lot to secure another QB for next season. Don't get me wrong, the Redskins NEED a QB, but they also need to stick with the plan of continuing to build the TEAM and its depth and not get caught up in drafting a QB just to be drafting a QB. I think Shanahan wants to knock it out of the park in regards to landing a franchise QB, and that might not be possible with the way THIS offseason is going to be. I would be more or less disappointed that we'd have to endure another year of Rex Grossman, but ultimately, I LOVE the idea of having a solid team built and in place for a young quarterback to come in and develop.

Can't agree more. Not much point of having a franchise QB if he gets lit up and is injured and doesn't have anyone to throw to, or a running game to take pressure off of him. Look at Sam Bradford...

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

Can't agree more. Not much point of having a franchise QB if he gets lit up and is injured and doesn't have anyone to throw to, or a running game to take pressure off of him. Look at Sam Bradford...

Which is probably why the Rams select Matt Kalil, OT, and the Redskins select.............Justin Blackmon WR!!!! ;-)

Yes, not an offensive lineman, but I think if Blackmon is on the board when the Redskins pick, I'd pick him in a heartbeat. No matter who the quarterback is, Blackmon would make life A LOT easier for the Redskins. Could you picture Blackmon and a healthy and improving Hankerson at WR? Blackmon the deep threat, Hankerson who can also get open deep but a great tall possession receiver? With Gaffney and Moss coming back, and hopefully Cooley and Davis (as long as he keeps himself clean) there are going to be A LOT of scary weapons to throw to. Even Rex Grossman would look awesome with that group of weapons. Couple that with Helu and Royster out of the backfield, I'm almost getting more excited about this scenario than I am drafting a QB.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Which is probably why the Rams select Matt Kalil, OT, and the Redskins select.............Justin Blackmon WR!!!! ;-)

Yes, not an offensive lineman, but I think if Blackmon is on the board when the Redskins pick, I'd pick him in a heartbeat. No matter who the quarterback is, Blackmon would make life A LOT easier for the Redskins. Could you picture Blackmon and a healthy and improving Hankerson at WR? Blackmon the deep threat, Hankerson who can also get open deep but a great tall possession receiver? With Gaffney and Moss coming back, and hopefully Cooley and Davis (as long as he keeps himself clean) there are going to be A LOT of scary weapons to throw to. Even Rex Grossman would look awesome with that group of weapons. Couple that with Helu and Royster out of the backfield, I'm almost getting more excited about this scenario than I am drafting a QB.

We draft 6th. How do you figure that Blackmon would get past Minnesota, Cleveland, and Tampa? I think we'd have to move up to get him but the teams ahead of us would have little incentive to trade down with great players on the board.

If I were Minnesota, I'd stay where I am in the draft and take Blackmon after St. Louis takes Kalil (who I also think would be a great pick for St. Louis). Ponder needs Blackmon.

I expect the Skins to try to sign either Vincent Jackson or Dwayne Bowe in Free Agency.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

We draft 6th. How do you figure that Blackmon would get past Minnesota, Cleveland, and Tampa? I think we'd have to move up to get him but the teams ahead of us would have little incentive to trade down with great players on the board.

If I were Minnesota, I'd stay where I am in the draft and take Blackmon after St. Louis takes Kalil (who I also think would be a great pick for St. Louis). Ponder needs Blackmon.

I expect the Skins to try to sign either Vincent Jackson or Dwayne Bowe in Free Agency.

I'd love to have him too but I don't see any way he falls to 6. Unless someone above us pulls another Darius Heyward-Bey at #7 overall to allow Orakpo to land in our laps. But I don't see that happening as Oakland isn't picking ahead of us this year.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

We draft 6th. How do you figure that Blackmon would get past Minnesota, Cleveland, and Tampa? I think we'd have to move up to get him but the teams ahead of us would have little incentive to trade down with great players on the board.

If I were Minnesota, I'd stay where I am in the draft and take Blackmon after St. Louis takes Kalil (who I also think would be a great pick for St. Louis). Ponder needs Blackmon.

I expect the Skins to try to sign either Vincent Jackson or Dwayne Bowe in Free Agency.

Alshon Jeffrey is a beast as well and he might be available in the late first round. Trade back with Cincy for their 2 picks.