I See QB Rumors (2012 QB Thread: The Sixth Sense)

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Sure we could, I think it's quite probable that an early picked is used on presumed starter to be, Rex is re-signed for a couple of years as the vet backup/compete for starting, and a mid to late round pick is used on a qb to groom as a backup.

No to Grossman. I don't even want him at FedEx field, let alone actually dressing for the game.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

No to Grossman. I don't even want him at FedEx field, let alone actually dressing for the game.

For the longest time I thought Grossman was pretty much a lock to return. In recent days though, I've gotten the impression they are ready to move on. Or at least let him test the market before making any decision.

In somewhat related news, new mock draft from National Football Post

Mock Draft: Version 2.0 | National Football Post

I still am not so sure they're going to trade up for RG3. But I know I'm in the minority on that

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

For the longest time I thought Grossman was pretty much a lock to return. In recent days though, I've gotten the impression they are ready to move on. Or at least let him test the market before making any decision.

In somewhat related news, new mock draft from National Football Post

Mock Draft: Version 2.0 | National Football Post

I still am not so sure they're going to trade up for RG3. But I know I'm in the minority on that

If they let him walk then who comes in and starts day one? As sad as this sounds he gives us the best chance to win opening day 2012.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

If they let him walk then who comes in and starts day one? As sad as this sounds he gives us the best chance to win opening day 2012.

Well, are we looking to win opening day or still be playing in late January?

Hoyer to start, Foles/Cousins/Tannehill (maybe in that order) to finish is my current prediction. Shanahan recently said if he can't get his franchise guy this year he wants someone he feels he can develop into his franchise guy in 2-3 years. Which is why I think it will be one of those 3 rookies taken by the Redskins.

As for Hoyer, Flynn is getting all the publicity but I know a lot of team execs around the league think Hoyer has the better upside (though I believe he's just an RFA)

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well, are we looking to win opening day or still be playing in late January?

Hoyer to start, Foles/Cousins/Tannehill (maybe in that order) to finish is my current prediction. Shanahan recently said if he can't get his franchise guy this year he wants someone he feels he can develop into his franchise guy in 2-3 years. Which is why I think it will be one of those 3 rookies taken by the Redskins.

As for Hoyer, Flynn is getting all the publicity but I know a lot of team execs around the league think Hoyer has the better upside (though I believe he's just an RFA)

The developmental QB is no problem. Any of Foles/Cousins/Tannehill has enough talent to become a good NFL QB in time.

On the other hand, the starting QB for 2012 is beginning to look like a BIG problem. As for Hoyer, he is an RFA. I see no reason why NE wouldn't match any reasonable offer for him. That's why we would need to overpay him. I dunno, maybe that's not a problem in the minds of the Skins braintrust.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

The developmental QB is no problem. Any of Foles/Cousins/Tannehill has enough talent to become a good NFL QB in time.

On the other hand, the starting QB for 2012 is beginning to look like a BIG problem. As for Hoyer, he is an RFA. I see no reason why NE wouldn't match any reasonable offer for him. That's why we would need to overpay him. I dunno, maybe that's not a problem in the minds of the Skins braintrust.

Patriots may be ready to move Mallett up to #2. Who knows, for sure

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well, are we looking to win opening day or still be playing in late January?

Hoyer to start, Foles/Cousins/Tannehill (maybe in that order) to finish is my current prediction. Shanahan recently said if he can't get his franchise guy this year he wants someone he feels he can develop into his franchise guy in 2-3 years. Which is why I think it will be one of those 3 rookies taken by the Redskins.

As for Hoyer, Flynn is getting all the publicity but I know a lot of team execs around the league think Hoyer has the better upside (though I believe he's just an RFA)

Only thing is, do we believe Shanahan has 2-3 more years given to him no matter what happens this coming season? While I believe he should be given his length of his contract to turn things around, I believe another 5-11 season probably would buy his ticket out of D.C.

I don't know much about Hoyer, but I suppose I'd be OK with any of those three rookies as developmental guys.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Only thing is, do we believe Shanahan has 2-3 more years given to him no matter what happens this coming season? While I believe he should be given his length of his contract to turn things around, I believe another 5-11 season probably would buy his ticket out of D.C.

I don't know much about Hoyer, but I suppose I'd be OK with any of those three rookies as developmental guys.

I think so. I mean I'm not in the locker room or even at the park anymore. But I haven't spoke to one person who is who doesn't have total respect and admiration for Mike and Bruce (and Kyle is right up there as well actually, probably the favorite coach there).

I mean, I know the results haven't been great and I know maybe some of it is just relief that Vinny and Zorn (who everyone also thought was great, just in over his head) are gone.

And I know you gotta have results. But Shanahan, and especially Allen, have made it fun for people to be back in Redskin Park and worth it.

So I guess that's my long winded way of saying he'll have time to make it work.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I still am not so sure they're going to trade up for RG3. But I know I'm in the minority on that

Minority as in minority among the rest of us average Joes, or in the minority among your colleagues?

Also what is the asking price for Hoyer. Even if it was only a third rounder it would still be odd to use both a second and a third on two different QB prospects even if you trade down from 6 to acquire more picks.

Originally Posted by los panda

please shine more light on this

You're better off not knowing but if you really want to know you can check out Alvin Walton's first few post in the Super Happy Fun Thread.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Minority as in minority among the rest of us average Joes, or in the minority among your colleagues?

Both, actually.

I said the same thing last year when my cohorts were all saying we were going to trade up for Blaine Gabbert. Though I caved at the last minute because Houston Chronicle's John McLain swayed my opinion.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Both, actually.

I said the same thing last year when my cohorts were all saying we were going to trade up for Blaine Gabbert. Though I caved at the last minute because Houston Chronicle's John McLain swayed my opinion.

John McClain.....he can be pretty persuasive. Just ask Hans and Simon Gruber

But yeah I agree with you. Between the staff coaching at the Senior Bowl, the emphasis on scouting, and a host of other factors I see them trading down before they trade up.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Minority as in minority among the rest of us average Joes, or in the minority among your colleagues?

Also what is the asking price for Hoyer. Even if it was only a third rounder it would still be odd to use both a second and a third on two different QB prospects even if you trade down from 6 to acquire more picks.



You're better off not knowing but if you really want to know you can check out Alvin Walton's first few post in the Super Happy Fun Thread.

I don't know what the asking price might be. Maybe we could give them back the picks we got for Haynesworth

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Minority as in minority among the rest of us average Joes, or in the minority among your colleagues?

Also what is the asking price for Hoyer. Even if it was only a third rounder it would still be odd to use both a second and a third on two different QB prospects even if you trade down from 6 to acquire more picks.



You're better off not knowing but if you really want to know you can check out Alvin Walton's first few post in the Super Happy Fun Thread.

lol

[los panda]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

You're better off not knowing but if you really want to know you can check out Alvin Walton's first few post in the Super Happy Fun Thread.

i saw some dolls but no freeze

[sportscurmudgeon]

Back from Chicago - - on a trip with "The Client From Hell"... Pardon me while I exhale for a moment.

The three way trade I have been hearing about for the last two weeks or so which involves the Skins/Rams/Vikes is definitely on the back burner at the moment because the Vikes supposedly want two players - - potential starters - - and not as many lower round picks.

There is a ton of time to negotiate all of this because the draft is not going to happen for the next twelve weeks; but at the moment, this one is "not happening". Stay tuned because this could be the "hot topic" starting again tomorrow at noon. That is the essence of the NFL off-season.

For the record, there is a huge difference between when a trade can be announced officially and when a trade becomes so widely known that the fact that it has been consummated can no longer be denied. Sort of like some free-agent signings that happen immediately after the signing window opens... Amazingly, those teams and the agents for those FAs figure out all the details in about 32 minutes flat.

However, as of this moment, decrease the probability that the Skins get Bradford and give up Orakpo plus picks as their end of the deal.