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[Giantone]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

What I mean is letting wr catch the ball first, before he can be hit is compromising the integrity of football. Accidentally head slapping a qb when his helmet is on, then throwing a flag for roughness is compromising the integrity of football. Guys head slap when they celebrate a good play. These are examples of my argument. I guess you guys like all the silly flags we see week after week.
Anyhow I've made my point. Obviously I will still watch football. But I don't like where the games is headed.

So you think the headslap Orakpo would put on an OL(by accident,of course) is the same as a headslap for a job well done?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Giantone

So you think the headslap Orakpo would put on an OL(by accident,of course) is the same as a headslap for a job well done?

I'll give you an example since you're having a hard time understanding what I'm saying. The refs throw flags if a linemen goes to block a pass and his hand hits any part of the qb's head. There is no way in hell that gives a qb a concussion. That should never be a personal foul unless there's intent. Yet most of the time they throw the flag every single time. What's your opinion on that?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'll give you an example since you're having a hard time understanding what I'm saying. The refs throw flags if a linemen goes to block a pass and his hand hits any part of the qb's head. There is no way in hell that gives a qb a concussion. That should never be a personal foul unless there's intent. Yet most of the time they throw the flag every single time. What's your opinion on that?

Refs are going to always err in the side of caution and fans just need to get over this whole thing because that is today's reality. Should refs use more judgement in the example that you just said? They probably should. But saying that calls like this are "sacrificing the integrity of the game" and blame "safety" for it is ridiculous.

The refs are always going to make mistakes, and it has very little to do with the safety rules and more with the speed at which today's players play the game. If it becomes such a big issue, I am sure that some owners will bring it up and something will be done about it.

It's funny how people complain that certain players, but I think a lot of players and fans just want to see the erratic "highlight" tackles. Ironically, I think those type of tackles are bad football form, since players nowadays try to go for those erratic tackles instead of wrapping up a guy and bringing him down. Morons like James Harrison just one to go head first and make a tackle that will make the Sportscenter highlight.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Refs are going to always err in the side of caution and fans just need to get over this whole thing because that is today's reality. Should refs use more judgement in the example that you just said? They probably should. But saying that calls like this are "sacrificing the integrity of the game" and blame "safety" for it is ridiculous.

The refs are always going to make mistakes, and it has very little to do with the safety rules and more with the speed at which today's players play the game. If it becomes such a big issue, I am sure that some owners will bring it up and something will be done about it.

It's funny how people complain that certain players, but I think a lot of players and fans just want to see the erratic "highlight" tackles. Ironically, I think those type of tackles are bad football form, since players nowadays try to go for those erratic tackles instead of wrapping up a guy and bringing him down. Morons like James Harrison just one to go head first and make a tackle that will make the Sportscenter highlight.

As an aside, I dislike these new "Brady rules", but rules that limit ambiguity by limiting judgement calls are good IMO. If you're going to call a penalty for slapping a QB's helmet in a roughing situation, call it every time.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'll give you an example since you're having a hard time understanding what I'm saying. The refs throw flags if a linemen goes to block a pass and his hand hits any part of the qb's head. There is no way in hell that gives a qb a concussion. That should never be a personal foul unless there's intent. Yet most of the time they throw the flag every single time. What's your opinion on that?

My opinion,is you are wrong ,refs are making judgment calls all the time some are right some are not.You seem to assume that all hits are equal and they aren't ,that was my point.

Yup you're right it's all me,,so did you ever play the actual game itself and at what level,not accusing just curious?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Giantone

My opinion,is you are wrong ,refs are making judgment calls all the time some are right some are not.You seem to assume that all hits are equal and they aren't ,that was my point.

Yup you're right it's all me,,so did you ever play the actual game itself and at what level,not accusing just curious?

I did. I played football for 10 years. I was a quarterback and three year starter in high school on a Maryland State A champinship team. We ran the exact same offense that Don Coryell did. Never had a play book but ran 60 or so plays from that offense. This was 25 years ago. Did not play in college cause my grades were awful. I've had a concussion before. It's something that should be taken seriously and awareness needs to be made. But they are over enforcing it on the field and it's cause of the lawsuits. It's common sense that if a hand slaps to a qb in the head that it's not going to hurt. Right? Or letting wr catch the ball first, then let him make a move before he can he hit is just ridiculous. Or penalizing the defender for helmet to helmet when the offensive player lowers his head to embrace the hit. In the SB we actually saw a game where they let me play. The best ref is a quiet one IMO.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I did. I played football for 10 years. I was a quarterback and three year starter in high school on a Maryland State A champinship team. We ran the exact same offense that Don Coryell did. Never had a play book but ran 60 or so plays from that offense. This was 25 years ago. Did not play in college cause my grades were awful. I've had a concussion before. It's something that should be taken seriously and awareness needs to be made. But they are over enforcing it on the field and it's cause of the lawsuits. It's common sense that if a hand slaps to a qb in the head that it's not going to hurt. Right? Or letting wr catch the ball first, then let him make a move before he can he hit is just ridiculous. Or penalizing the defender for helmet to helmet when the offensive player lowers his head to embrace the hit. In the SB we actually saw a game where they let me play. The best ref is a quiet one IMO.

These two statements don't make sense. So you want people to be serious and aware of concussions (and its consequences); but you don't want any measures to prevent them on the game?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

These two statements don't make sense. So you want people to be serious and aware of concussions (and its consequences); but you don't want any measures to prevent them on the game?

again, you're not understanding what i'm saying. we'll agree to disagree.

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I did. I played football for 10 years. I was a quarterback and three year starter in high school on a Maryland State A champinship team. We ran the exact same offense that Don Coryell did. Never had a play book but ran 60 or so plays from that offense. This was 25 years ago. Did not play in college cause my grades were awful. I've had a concussion before. It's something that should be taken seriously and awareness needs to be made. But they are over enforcing it on the field and it's cause of the lawsuits. It's common sense that if a hand slaps to a qb in the head that it's not going to hurt. Right? Or letting wr catch the ball first, then let him make a move before he can he hit is just ridiculous. Or penalizing the defender for helmet to helmet when the offensive player lowers his head to embrace the hit. In the SB we actually saw a game where they let me play. The best ref is a quiet one IMO.

When you started this I said that you wouldn't want to make the "integrity over safety" argument, and I stay with that opinion.

Your football experience aside, there's just no reason to change the rule that requires a referee to penalize a blow to a QB's head. And don't tell me that there should be some judgment as to whether it might potentially cause an injury. The league is telling rushers to keep their damn hand off the QB's head and they're right. No judgement needed here, and no assault on integrity either.

I'm also agreeing the league's attempt to limit the devastating hits receivers take as they receive the ball. Don't know whether their method is absolutely right, but I applaud their attempt at the killer "gangsta" hits by defensive players more intent on being a highlight on ESPN than actually making a good tackle. They've got to get rid of the headhunters for the good of the game, don't even tell me about integrity.

As to helmet to helmet blows what I's seeing is that the refs almost always get it right. I know that there may be time the offensive player seems to lower his head and contributes to the helmet to helmet contact, but I'll run the risk of getting call wrong over continuing the epidemic of brain injuries that might kill football long before the lack of integrity you're worried about.

As to your assertion that a quiet referee is the best referee, you're just absolutely wrong. The best referee is the one that gets the call right, not the one who eats his whistle...

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

When you started this I said that you wouldn't want to make the "integrity over safety" argument, and I stay with that opinion.

Your football experience aside, there's just no reason to change the rule that requires a referee to penalize a blow to a QB's head. And don't tell me that there should be some judgment as to whether it might potentially cause an injury. The league is telling rushers to keep their damn hand off the QB's head and they're right. No judgement needed here, and no assault on integrity either.

I'm also agreeing the league's attempt to limit the devastating hits receivers take as they receive the ball. Don't know whether their method is absolutely right, but I applaud their attempt at the killer "gangsta" hits by defensive players more intent on being a highlight on ESPN than actually making a good tackle. They've got to get rid of the headhunters for the good of the game, don't even tell me about integrity.

As to helmet to helmet blows what I's seeing is that the refs almost always get it right. I know that there may be time the offensive player seems to lower his head and contributes to the helmet to helmet contact, but I'll run the risk of getting call wrong over continuing the epidemic of brain injuries that might kill football long before the lack of integrity you're worried about.

As to your assertion that a quiet referee is the best referee, you're just absolutely wrong. The best referee is the one that gets the call right, not the one who eats his whistle...

We'll just agree to disagree.

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

We'll just agree to disagree.

^^^^ Agreed

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I did. I played football for 10 years. I was a quarterback and three year starter in high school on a Maryland State A champinship team. We ran the exact same offense that Don Coryell did. Never had a play book but ran 60 or so plays from that offense. This was 25 years ago. Did not play in college cause my grades were awful. I've had a concussion before. It's something that should be taken seriously and awareness needs to be made. But they are over enforcing it on the field and it's cause of the lawsuits. It's common sense that if a hand slaps to a qb in the head that it's not going to hurt. Right? Or letting wr catch the ball first, then let him make a move before he can he hit is just ridiculous. Or penalizing the defender for helmet to helmet when the offensive player lowers his head to embrace the hit. In the SB we actually saw a game where they let me play. The best ref is a quiet one IMO.

Cool,like I said I was just asking,no judgment.