2012 Training Camp Competitions Open Discussion

[RGIII]

I see why a veteran RB needs to be in the mix of training camp. Hightower would be that guy if he was 110%. Benson/Grant would only be placeholders.

[MTK]

Thursday camp notes: Helu elusive, Cooley still a favorite - Rich Tandler's Real Redskins

[REDSKINS4ever]

We knew that it was a matter of time before Jamal Brown's hip was going to give him problems. All of that yoga and rehab was too good to be true.

[30gut]

We should have addressed RT via FA.
I'm tired of hearing about a guy that see struggle and underperform on the field yet always hear his injuries and short comings explained away.
Oh, Jammal Brown is doing yoga and pilates and looking much better blah, blah, blah

When do we get to see a healthy Jammal Brown playing at a high level, 2006?

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by 30gut

We should have addressed RT via FA.
I'm tired of hearing about a guy that see struggle and underperform on the field yet always hear his injuries and short comings explained away.
Oh, Jammal Brown is doing yoga and pilates and looking much better blah, blah, blah

When do we get to see a healthy Jammal Brown playing at a high level, 2006?

IT is plain as day why the Saints gave up on him.

Also I think you couldn't solve all our problems in one off season so the OL and secondary will probably be addresed next year. This why I thought bringing Manning in was a dumb idea because this team is not ready this year. So now we have time to build as Bob gets better.

[Alvin Walton]

We're looking at more running backs?
WTF?
Cedric Benson, Ryan Grant reportedly in Redskins' mix - NFL.com

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

We're looking at more running backs?
WTF?
Cedric Benson, Ryan Grant reportedly in Redskins' mix - NFL.com

I wouldnt be opposed to Cedric, but Ryan Grant is flat out garbage.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

We're looking at more running backs?
WTF?
Cedric Benson, Ryan Grant reportedly in Redskins' mix - NFL.com

Probably just a contingency plan in case Hightower has a setback.

[SmootSmack]

Really not worried about Brown...then again I realize I'm one of the last of the Jammal and Kyle fans.

"Internal Talks" is such a nebulous term. Teams internally talk about players all the time

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Really not worried about Brown...then again I realize I'm one of the last of the Jammal and Kyle fans.

I didn't expect much from Brown so I guess I'm not worried either.

I doubt you're one of the last Kyle fans.
I would bet the majority of fans/media are Kyle fans.
In fact I think the Kyle defense team likes to use the few criticisms he receives to launch a woe is me defense for Kyle.
Its very sneaky but effective.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I didn't expect much from Brown so I guess I'm not worried either.

I doubt you're one of the last Kyle fans.
I would bet the majority of fans/media are Kyle fans.
In fact I think the Kyle defense team likes to use the few criticisms he receives to launch a woe is me defense for Kyle.
Its very sneaky but effective.

I don't get the impression the majority of posters here are fans of Kyle. Or maybe it's that those that are are more quiet

[mbedner3420]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't get the impression the majority of posters here are fans of Kyle. Or maybe it's that those that are are more quiet

I like Kyle quite a bit actually. I think he is a pretty good coordinator, but has never had the quality pieces to run the offense.

[Lotus]

I didn't think that Kyle did such a hot job last year. Granted, his toys were of poor quality. Nonetheless I didn't feel like he got the most out of those toys. I still don't understand why we were among the league leaders in pass attempts (and this includes the first quarter, negating the playing-from-behind argument) when we had Wrecks/Beck slinging the ball and two young studs with fresh legs who could have carried it more.

But Kyle has shown that he can create a high octane offense when he has high quality toys. Therefore I expect a more robust showing from him this year.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by mbedner3420

I like Kyle quite a bit actually. I think he is a pretty good coordinator, but has never had the quality pieces to run the offense.

Pretty much how I feel. Not sure why Skins fans expected from him considering the absolute trash he's had to work with. It's generally the case of fans overvaluing the players on the team.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't get the impression the majority of posters here are fans of Kyle. Or maybe it's that those that are are more quiet

I get the opposite vibe.
*(Maybe in this forum the responses are a backlash against GTripp vocal dislike?)

I feel like most objective evaluations or criticisms of Kyle's offense are met with knee jerk (and often over the top) defenses or rationaliztions.

The main argument centers on the lack of talent.

For example (and forgive me for re-hashing (man I miss college, I would love to re-hash...I digress..)) but the 1st of Kyle's offense was actually worse then Zorn's last year in every meaningful offensive category.
Yet the very mention of the actual metrics, even without an actual good/bad value judgement, was met with scorn.

None the less..
I think Kyle has some great concepts in the passing game.
However; his overall lack of balance pass vs run concerns me.
But I hope/suspect (that even without Kyle becoming more balanced) Griffin and Co. (Garcon, Hankerson etc) are the tools Kyle needs to execute his pass first offense.

Originally Posted by Lotus

I didn't think that Kyle did such a hot job last year. Granted, his toys were of poor quality. Nonetheless I didn't feel like he got the most out of those toys. I still don't understand why we were among the league leaders in pass attempts (and this includes the first quarter, negating the playing-from-behind argument) when we had Wrecks/Beck slinging the ball and two young studs with fresh legs who could have carried it more.

But Kyle has shown that he can create a high octane offense when he has high quality toys. Therefore I expect a more robust showing from him this year.

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