Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skinsfanmdc

If Shannahn doesnt workout, what coach would or could you see with the skins in the future with RG III?

I can see that alot of coaches would jump at the chance to have RG-3 as their QB. I dont know who I see - luckily for all of us it isnt my job to choose a coach if and when Shanny is gone. I hope Shanny gets the job done next year - although - as ive pointed out - i dont think its possible to fill every need we have with the cap hit and no first round pick. I hope he does though and than I hope Kyle keeps this offense humming and takes over as HC and gets a defensive mastermind in here and RG -3 wins multiple championships. Thats the pipe dream. Thats the perfect story of continuity and success. Its also becoming less of a reality the more I watch us lose. At the end of the day Im a Redskins fan - could give a crap who the coach is as long as he wins. No reason why we shouldnt be able to put a team around RG3 that allows this to happen sooner than later.


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[The Goat]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

It would be VERY strange GTripp. Mike is pretty much known as a control freak. My biggest problem with him is that his defenses pretty much suck and if he would leave that side of the team alone (including hiring the DC) he would be more successful. I do think he has a lot to offer on the offense. But....would he ever be willing to do that?

I mean, you could rationally consider keeping Mike as an HC in title only i.e. his input is strictly limited to the offense. But even if he would agree to it, which I think we all know given his monumental ego it'll never happen, but just for shits and giggles if he did it...what about the rest of the story?

We gotta at least consider the possibility Mike has lost the team at this point. My intuition is this will become increasingly obvious as the season wears on, which is why I say most of us here will agree it's time to move on by week 17.

[GTripp0012]

Again, picking who would replace him is beyond the scope of the thread. I understand the practicality of the argument that you can fire him and end up hiring another bad coach. I get that. I'm not sure that's much of a defense of the current administration, but I get it.

Anyway, 40 games is not a small sample. It's the average NFL career for a player.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

The team was worse? They were 8-8 and had 4 Pro Bowl players on that team. (2008) Portis rushed for almost 1500 yards. Campbell had 3000+ yards and more TDs than INTs.

And you can't possibly be saying they were better in 2009 because we finished 4-12.

I don't think we're THAT bad.

Ok, so circular logic begs me to ask the question that if we weren't all that bad, why in the hell did it need rebuilding so horribly. Did we fall off so much from 2008 to 2009? I think the VAST majority of people on this board have been caught saying that the team Shanahan took over in 2009 was quite possibly the most atrocious squad ever to don the B&G. The year prior to Shanahan, our defense was ranked top 10, and while not good, we still churned out 22nd in the league in offense. The point is that he hasn't done much with 3 years here to instill any sort of confidence. RG3, 110 out of 100 people could hit on that pick. Shanahan is coaching here based SOLELY on previous accolades (from the 97 -98 seasons). And it shows.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by The Goat

That's a really, really good way to look it at. Realistic, yet optimistic at the same time. Leave it to 53 to bring in the sage wisdom

I do what I can Goat. Hope you're doing well.

[GTripp0012]

And for the record, I'm not sure any hot coaching candidate would turn down the ability to coach RG3. If he did, we wouldn't want him anyway.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by mooby

Love how we lose our first game of the season in which we played bad from start to finish and we're seriously debating whether to replace Mike Shanahan. Really? It's hard to believe guys like Goat are actually gaining ground here. I guess it really is the coaches' fault our receivers dropped an assload of passes today. I know! Next time let's just stop throwing the ball, that way we can avoid dropped passes completely!

The one constant this team has had this year is our bad defense. Obviously we know it needs more talent on it, and I think everybody is in agreement Haslett is done after the season, but do people really believe any changes we make mid-season will make a huge difference? How well did Sherman Lewis work out for us? Any recent mid-season pickups made a huge difference down the stretch for any team in the NFL? Damn people. This is the bed we've made. Now we just have to sleep in it.

If our WRs had caught every ball today...we still would have lost, period. Would the score have been a bit closer? Sure, so what?

Any team out-coached as badly as we were today can't win. And that's the stinker of it. If our coaching staff was made up of Tomlin, Lebeau and Haley, and the Steelers were coached by the Shanahans and Haslett, we would have destroyed Pittsburgh today.

Everyone in the predictions thread who said Pittsburgh is not the team they once were...it's still the truth. They didn't even have their best player on defense today, and for the most part their WRs weren't breaking big ones. Their WRs dropped a fair number of passes today as well. They moved the chains on us because our scheme is shit. We can't/won't create pressure running a 3-4 and our secondary was obviously coached to play soft as jello.

Offensively, Kyle was channeling Jim Zorn today. In terms of play-calling/play-design it was at least as bad as anything we saw in the Zorn era. The Morgan to RG3 pass and designed QB run near the goal line are just inexcusable. Really?! You thought the Steelers wouldn't be keying on RG3 all game?

It's why I say this isn't a serious football team right now. If your coaching is so poor as to make a win metaphysically impossible, you're not a serious team.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

And for the record, I'm not sure any hot coaching candidate would turn down the ability to coach RG3. If he did, we wouldn't want him anyway.

Any coach would want to have RG3 no doubt about it. Jon gruden, whoever would not turn down griff. He's 22 years old and is already playing at an elite level, u heard Brian Billick today, he said Griffin is a top 5 QB right now in the entire league.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Any coach would want to have RG3 no doubt about it. Jon gruden, whoever would not turn down griff. He's 22 years old and is already playing at an elite level, u heard Brian Billick today, he said Griffin is a top 5 QB right now in the entire league.

The guy who Griffin reminds me the most of, as a passer, is Philip Rivers.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The guy who Griffin reminds me the most of, as a passer, is Philip Rivers.

I honestly think he's more of an Aaron Rodgers and GULP Tony Romo when he is on the move he's deadly and even in the pocket he's great. Why do u say rivers?

[GTripp0012]

Anyway, time for the stats part of this post


Winning Percentage

Mike Tice .492
Norv Turner .487
Dave Wannestedt .485
Jerry Glanville .465
Jim Haslett .435
Rich Kotite .417
Butch Davis .414
Eric Mangini .413
Vince Tobin .394
Bruce Coslet .379
June Jones .379
Mike Shanahan (WAS only) .350
John McKay .333
Mike Nolan .327
Joe Bugel .300

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Again, picking who would replace him is beyond the scope of the thread. I understand the practicality of the argument that you can fire him and end up hiring another bad coach. I get that. I'm not sure that's much of a defense of the current administration, but I get it.

Anyway, 40 games is not a small sample. It's the average NFL career for a player.

Well, it's pretty hard to limit the scope to ending one regime, but not think about what replaces it.

Somebody made a pretty brilliant observation that RG3 (alone) will attract coaching talent. I think Snyder should look at it this way. We have something very special to offer.

So, to hell with scope. I'd take Jon Gruden or Bill Cowher tomorrow. I'd take Parcells tomorrow too. Outside the legacy coaches you just have to look around the league at teams that are getting it right.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I honestly think he's more of an Aaron Rodgers and GULP Tony Romo when he is on the move he's deadly and even in the pocket he's great. Why do u say rivers?

A lot of the throws he makes only Rivers would attempt.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

Ok, so circular logic begs me to ask the question that if we weren't all that bad, why in the hell did it need rebuilding so horribly. Did we fall off so much from 2008 to 2009? I think the VAST majority of people on this board have been caught saying that the team Shanahan took over in 2009 was quite possibly the most atrocious squad ever to don the B&G. The year prior to Shanahan, our defense was ranked top 10, and while not good, we still churned out 22nd in the league in offense. The point is that he hasn't done much with 3 years here to instill any sort of confidence. RG3, 110 out of 100 people could hit on that pick. Shanahan is coaching here based SOLELY on previous accolades (from the 97 -98 seasons). And it shows.

I'm shocked...that kind of clear logic didn't crash the site

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

A lot of the throws he makes only Rivers would attempt.

I see, but rivers really has been bad last two seasons