And with the 6th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the redskins select...........

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Completely disagree. Think of his first two offseasons- the first is an uncapped year with very little available as far as free agents, and a draft that had Sam Bradford and not much else for QB's. This past offseason was a labor stoppage and a draft that had some reaches at QB in the 1st round.

Sure it sucks that we have to wait until season 3 of Shanahan to get our potential franchise QB moving forward, but what good does it do to fire Shanahan if he's not a 10 win coach in his first year with his new (and likely rookie) QB?

Agreed. Developing a rookie QB buys Shanahan more time.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Agreed. Developing a rookie QB buys Shanahan more time.

I would have thought that last year.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Completely disagree. Think of his first two offseasons- the first is an uncapped year with very little available as far as free agents, and a draft that had Sam Bradford and not much else for QB's. This past offseason was a labor stoppage and a draft that had some reaches at QB in the 1st round.

Sure it sucks that we have to wait until season 3 of Shanahan to get our potential franchise QB moving forward, but what good does it do to fire Shanahan if he's not a 10 win coach in his first year with his new (and likely rookie) QB?

Exactly. There is no upside to having a rookie QB and then firing the coach. This is offseason 1A of the Shanahan regime.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Exactly. There is no upside to having a rookie QB and then firing the coach. This is offseason 1A of the Shanahan regime.

Unless there is an available HC who would likely do better at developing that rookie (franchise) QB...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Exactly. There is no upside to having a rookie QB and then firing the coach. This is offseason 1A of the Shanahan regime.

/looks at calendar

I, um, don't agree?

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Completely disagree. Think of his first two offseasons- the first is an uncapped year with very little available as far as free agents, and a draft that had Sam Bradford and not much else for QB's. This past offseason was a labor stoppage and a draft that had some reaches at QB in the 1st round.

Sure it sucks that we have to wait until season 3 of Shanahan to get our potential franchise QB moving forward, but what good does it do to fire Shanahan if he's not a 10 win coach in his first year with his new (and likely rookie) QB?

You're exactly correct! I've argued that the first season shouldn't even be considered under evaluation, because Shanahan wanted to simply evaluate the players who were already on the team. He brought in new players in positions where it was obvious that the 'skins needed help, but other than that, he truly didn't know what type of team he was inheriting. The true start of purge and rebuild didn't start until last offseason, but a lot of that was hampered by the lockout. So, this will be the first complete offseason in which Mike Shanahan and the rest of the coaching staff can execute their offseason plans without any road blocks.

So, with that being said, it MAY not be necessary for the Redskins to give up a lot to secure another QB for next season. Don't get me wrong, the Redskins NEED a QB, but they also need to stick with the plan of continuing to build the TEAM and its depth and not get caught up in drafting a QB just to be drafting a QB. I think Shanahan wants to knock it out of the park in regards to landing a franchise QB, and that might not be possible with the way THIS offseason is going to be. I would be more or less disappointed that we'd have to endure another year of Rex Grossman, but ultimately, I LOVE the idea of having a solid team built and in place for a young quarterback to come in and develop.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

You're exactly correct! I've argued that the first season shouldn't even be considered under evaluation, because Shanahan wanted to simply evaluate the players who were already on the team. He brought in new players in positions where it was obvious that the 'skins needed help, but other than that, he truly didn't know what type of team he was inheriting. The true start of purge and rebuild didn't start until last offseason, but a lot of that was hampered by the lockout. So, this will be the first complete offseason in which Mike Shanahan and the rest of the coaching staff can execute their offseason plans without any road blocks.

So, with that being said, it MAY not be necessary for the Redskins to give up a lot to secure another QB for next season. Don't get me wrong, the Redskins NEED a QB, but they also need to stick with the plan of continuing to build the TEAM and its depth and not get caught up in drafting a QB just to be drafting a QB. I think Shanahan wants to knock it out of the park in regards to landing a franchise QB, and that might not be possible with the way THIS offseason is going to be. I would be more or less disappointed that we'd have to endure another year of Rex Grossman, but ultimately, I LOVE the idea of having a solid team built and in place for a young quarterback to come in and develop.

Can't agree more. Not much point of having a franchise QB if he gets lit up and is injured and doesn't have anyone to throw to, or a running game to take pressure off of him. Look at Sam Bradford...

[SkinItup]

Originally Posted by Shadowbyte

You bring up a great point. I never thought of it but you're right; Shannahan can't afford to draft a rookie QB and go 6 and 10 next year and expect to keep his job. So the impetus will be acquiring an experienced NFL QB (Matt Flynn). Based on this revelation I'm going to assume that Shannahan will go buck-wild in free agency this year to secure the best WR talent available (Desean Jackson/Vincent Jackson).

I disagree. I think he has to bring in a qb(s) this year for sure but I can't see Snyder treating MS like Del Rio. Most owners know that a rookie qb needs time to adapt and won't off a coach for a bad year with one unless the rookie qb plays like Ryan Leaf or well Blaine gabbert.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Knowing how the NFL works, Mike Shanahan is no doubt aware that he will likely be fired if the Redskins do not improve significantly in the win column next season. Now he faces the dilemma of the Coach/GM. As GM, he's building a team but he's not in a position where he can start a rookie QB because, as HC, he'll be fired if he has a poor season in 2012.

Basically, he messed up by not drafting his Franchise QB candidate before now. Now, the answer is probably going to be acquiring a good young QB with NFL experience or a stopgap veteran, either through FA or trade.

Shanahan is definitely scrambling to get a QB. We'll see what happens next.

This is just.....wrong...T O T A L L Y...wrong. Considering the Skins track record with hiring and unhiring coaches, there is NO way Dan can afford to let Shan go next season unless he catches him in the Dans office F...n a goat. AND then only if he has pics. Who would ever take the job?
Point is this ain't gonna happen. You will see Shan fulfill his entire contract and if he does any good (and he will) he will get a new deal.

[CultBrennan59]

A couple of little points:

Blackmon is a TO-Boldin type of WR, I wouldn't mind having him, but at the end of the day I think he will be gone And more importantly we will address whats more important to us, QB.

I think that with all this talk about Luck and "Oh we could get him possibly if..." He's going to Indy. Why do people assume that he and Peyton cant and dont want to play together? It's all assumption that I think some one brought up as a possibility which snowballed.

And while we're on Luck, my neighbor whose a huge skins fan emailed one of those NFL draft guys and asked him if he'd give up 3 first rounders for Luck if he were the Redskins.
The guy said he'd probably give up 4...

I also think we should draft Kellen Moore. I feel like regardless of who we get, we draft and develop Moore, and with his knowledge, he could be a great backup that when he gets into games he could be a lot like...Matt Flynn, and possibly help us in terms of trade value down the road, like Flynn could help the packers should they franchise him instead of Finley.

Also, That stanford Ok st game had a LOT of pro prospects playing. DeCastro, like I said in the other thread, is said to be the best guard since steve hutchinson. Sadly I love Chester and Lichtensteiger as our guards, however, IF Korey is fully healthy, AND we aren't completely sold on Montgomery, we should definitely take a long look at DeCastro as our new LG and Licten as our C.

And Johnathan Martin stanford OT is someone who could be linked to us, not that we get him, but for the fact that we trade our pick to St. Louis for maybe Bradford and they get Griffin at 2 and Martin at 6.

[skinsfaninok]

2012 NFL Mock Draft: First-Round Projections with Updated Order | Bleacher Report

"Mike Shanahan has built a good offensive line and defense in Washington—now he needs his quarterback.

In the past, Shanahan has targeted athletic quarterbacks who can get outside the pocket and make plays. He likes players who aren’t afraid to take chances but have the accuracy to pick apart a defense underneath. John Elway and Jay Cutler are his type of players."

[CultBrennan59]

Don't agree with him being as good as Kalil, Kalil is a once every 5 years kind of tackle, Martins a Russell Okung (Hey remember him!) clone. Levy Adock from OKSU looked like a NFL RT in my opinion..should be someone to consider.

[mbedner3420]

It boggles my mind that so many mock drafts have us picking Trent Richardson at #6. it's like these guys are just pulling names out of the hat.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by mbedner3420

It boggles my mind that so many mock drafts have us picking Trent Richardson at #6. it's like these guys are just pulling names out of the hat.

I know. Ridiculous. Draft a RB that high when he can push you over the top. Skins have way too many other needs. RBs have a short shelf life.

The Bengals want him though, so we should deal the pick to them if we can't get RGIII at 6 or we address QB in free agency or via trade. Especially if we can grab a #1 WR in free agency.

[skinsfaninok]

I wouldn't draft Trent Richardson inthe top 10 if I'm any team