King predicts Haynesworth to Redskins

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If we get Haynesworth, there's no point to bringing them both back. No reason at all.

Haynesworth will miss his usual 2-5 games per year and and so will Griff. If Haynesworth scheduled his time off the same week Griffin was injured, we'd be starting Alexander and calling Boschetti to do his annual un-retirement thing. Its a bit risky letting them both go, but 2nd round picks would be enough for me to accept the risk.

That said, I think Tampa Bay has done enough today to essentially inform the league they plan on signing Haynesworth to the biggest contract in history of football and taking a 35M cap hit in 2009 to do it... and when we play the bucs this year, our interior linemen can thank them giving Haynesworth so much money so that he's no longer motivated to try and knock the living crap out of them.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Haynesworth will miss his usual 2-5 games per year and and so will Griff. If Haynesworth scheduled his time off the same week Griffin was injured, we'd be starting Alexander and calling Boschetti to do his annual un-retirement thing. Its a bit risky letting them both go, but 2nd round picks would be enough for me to accept the risk.

That said, I think Tampa Bay has done enough today to essentially inform the league they plan on signing Haynesworth to the biggest contract in history of football and taking a 35M cap hit in 2009 to do it... and when we play the bucs this year, our interior linemen can thank them giving Haynesworth so much money so that he's no longer motivated to try and knock the living crap out of them.

I wasn't advocating that we would let them both go, but only that if we bring them both back, either 1) one of the two never sees the field, or 2) they both split an amount of playing time that is insignificant.

[Nflnick11]

If haynesworth has any common sense, he'll come here because were not rebuilding like TB, plus if he does sign with TB a year from now he could be asking for a trade or release because TB's gonna suck next year and is rebuilding so he should go to a team that is good and not close to rebuilding (us)

[celts32]

Although I like Golston I would do cartwheels to get a 2nd round pick for him. That seems like a lot of compenstation for him and I wonder if it would scare off those 5 teams who like him.

[SmootSmack]

There probably are teams interested in Montgomery, I just haven't heard it. A 2nd round tender for each of them I believe is a 1 year, $1.5 million contract.

But suppose they do that, that doesn't mean we'd get a 2nd rounder in return. Case in point, the Niners placed a 1st round tender on Brandon Lloyd. Instead of trading a 1st, we traded a 3rd and 4th. So conceivably something similar could happen with us.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

There probably are teams interested in Montgomery, I just haven't heard it. A 2nd round tender for each of them I believe is a 1 year, $1.5 million contract.

But suppose they do that, that doesn't mean we'd get a 2nd rounder in return. Case in point, the Niners placed a 1st round tender on Brandon Lloyd. Instead of trading a 1st, we traded a 3rd and 4th. So conceivably something similar could happen with us.

Good point that it could be negotiated down from a #2. Assuming they signed AH I would let one of them go for maybe a #3 pick but no less then that. It also wouldn't be a bad way to go to just bring them both back anyway and have some nice depth on the interior DL for a change.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

There probably are teams interested in Montgomery, I just haven't heard it. A 2nd round tender for each of them I believe is a 1 year, $1.5 million contract.

But suppose they do that, that doesn't mean we'd get a 2nd rounder in return. Case in point, the Niners placed a 1st round tender on Brandon Lloyd. Instead of trading a 1st, we traded a 3rd and 4th. So conceivably something similar could happen with us.

Thanks for the info, i thought the price would be higher. Both guys are well worth 1.5M contracts for one year (1/82nd of our total cap room). However, if we had internally decided to let one of them walk at some point, id rather get some compensation for either of them now than let them walk a year later for nothing. Especially if the haynesworth rumor is true. I think the reason neither Monty or Golston has become a star yet is because alot of the time theyve been playing next to eachother. Both of them would benefit tremendously if they were playing alongside haynesworth. Then again, so would Griff and Lorenzo. If we did bring in Haynesworth, i could see us trading both those guys and hopefully using the picks do address our oline.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Thanks for the info, i thought the price would be higher. Both guys are well worth 1.5M contracts for one year (1/82nd of our total cap room). However, if we had internally decided to let one of them walk at some point, id rather get some compensation for either of them now than let them walk a year later for nothing. Especially if the haynesworth rumor is true. I think the reason neither Monty or Golston has become a star yet is because alot of the time theyve been playing next to eachother. Both of them would benefit tremendously if they were playing alongside haynesworth. Then again, so would Griff and Lorenzo. If we did bring in Haynesworth, i could see us trading both those guys and hopefully using the picks do address our oline.

Trading both is risky...Griff is getting old to be a full season starter and we also need to remember that AH never plays a full season so depth behind him will be important. I would trade whichever one I could get more for and keep the other. I would prefer to keep Monty I guess if I had a choice..

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by celts32

Trading both is risky...Griff is getting old to be a full season starter and we also need to remember that AH never plays a full season so depth behind him will be important. I would trade whichever one I could get more for and keep the other. I would prefer to keep Monty I guess if I had a choice..

It would definitely be risky, but i have a soft spot for Lorenzo Alexander. I guess it depends on what the compensation would be but if i thought we could get 2nd rounder for both of them, it might be too good of an offer to pass up. we found both of them in the later rounds so i'm pretty sure we could find something like them in the 2009 draft. i would be pretty happy about our DT situation with Haynesworth, Griffin, Alexander and a mid round draft pick. However, Haynesworth, Griffin, Alexander, and Monty or Golston would be utter pimpage.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Thanks for the info, i thought the price would be higher. Both guys are well worth 1.5M contracts for one year (1/82nd of our total cap room). However, if we had internally decided to let one of them walk at some point, id rather get some compensation for either of them now than let them walk a year later for nothing. Especially if the haynesworth rumor is true. I think the reason neither Monty or Golston has become a star yet is because alot of the time theyve been playing next to eachother. Both of them would benefit tremendously if they were playing alongside haynesworth. Then again, so would Griff and Lorenzo. If we did bring in Haynesworth, i could see us trading both those guys and hopefully using the picks do address our oline.

Excellent point BHA. Unlike Rogers and Hall, Monty and Golston have never benefited from each others presence. Golston has just sort of forced Monty out of position, and his production looks more uneven than the film on him suggests it would.

Unfortunately, Haynesworth doesn't fix this problem, he just makes it worse. Haynesworth DOES fit perfectly in scheme with Griffin, though.

[celts32]

I don't know what to make out of Lorenzo Alexander just yet...I know I want him on the roster but I also know I don't want to count on him being anything more then a depth player next year. I am sure the coaches knew what they were doing but I was sort of hoping he would have stayed on the offensive side of the ball.

[GTripp0012]

And for what it's worth, the market rate for a young DT with potential appears to be set at a 3rd and 5th rounder. I would have a hard time passing up that offer for either of our RFA DTs.

[CRedskinsRule]

Here's what TB did:
Tampa Bay Buccaneers release Derrick Brooks, four other veteran players - ESPN

edit: hadn't looked at the free agent thread when i posted this.

[CRedskinsRule]

Wow, looking over it, they are almost 60Million under the cap.

[GTripp0012]

With news of the salary cap increase, I am officially in favor of the Haynesworth deal.

Once I see the contract numbers, I'm sure I'll flip flop again.