V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"

[CRedskinsRule]

Sidney Rice is aiming to be back by 17 Oct. VJ's first game would be the 11th of Oct. For that gain, is it worth a 2nd round pick to Minnesota? I just can't see it. If Rice's recovery isn't going well in the team's eyes then maybe it is, but I still would question it.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Man, getting him in a Redskins uni would be nice. We could use this guy for a multitude of reasons. I can justify the need for a WR of his caliber. Will be interesting to see if we make a play for him. As schefter stated on ESPN without trading VJ they will pick up a supp 3rd rounder, so why would they trade him for anything less.

Unfortunately the only way we get him is a min of a 2nd rounder. It seems like the same ol skins, but dam he would be a nice target for DM for the next 4 or 5 years.

[CRedskinsRule]

Here is a decent article on the case against VJ for the Skins:
Redskins Need To Stay Away From Vincent Jackson | steveospeak

needless to say I disagree with most everything he says.

a few thoughts

How is the 2011 draft shaping up deeper than the 2010 draft? Not that this is central to his premise, but many top juniors came out last year due to the possibility of a new CBA that includes a salary cap, and many juniors this year may stay in that extra year, especially if a lockout or strike looks imminent in January when they have to decide. Further we already spent two 2nds on potential future top WR's(Kelly and Thomas) how has that worked out?
IF we worked out a deal that brought a 27 year old WR at the top of his game, and cost us only a 2nd (or better yet trade AH for someone else's 2nd) then why the heck wouldn't we make that deal.

Then he talks about how the strength of schedule argues against it, but clearly our WR's are a weakness, that isn't getting better without an infusion of talent. The delay factor would make sense, if we were choosing between an available player and VJ, but since the choices are status quo, or significant upgrade later in the season, the obvious choice would seem to be upgrade.

[SirClintonPortis]

Shanahan has had to game plan against him in the past, so he probably has his own gauge as to whether or not Jackson is worth it. Jackson wants a payday, and there's no guarantee that he's not going to turn complacent after his payday.

For us, getting rid of the embarrassing and debilitating reputation the Redskins have had for that past decade as a place to "get paid well, but not necessarily win anything" is priority No.1 so players don't come here just to milk the money tree for all its worth and then leave a pile of crap behind them like many already have.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Shanahan has had to game plan against him in the past, so he probably has his own gauge as to whether or not Jackson is worth it. Jackson wants a payday, and there's no guarantee that he's not going to turn complacent after his payday.

For us, getting rid of the embarrassing and debilitating reputation the Redskins have had for that past decade as a place to "get paid well, but not necessarily win anything" is priority No.1 so players don't come here just to milk the money tree for all its worth and then leave a pile of crap behind them like many already have.

Personally, I see a lot of similarities between VJ and AH, hence my hesitation to go after him. I know he has a lot of talent, but I'm sure Vinny said the same thing when going after AH and disregarding the warning signs.

[aceinthehouse]

If we do trade for him,hopefully all this time on getting a deal done is part of him extending his year & contract with the Redskins in negotiations...

So an agreed contract extension as part of the trade. We don't want to be in a 1 year deal and him walking after 1 season...

Maybe this helps speed up McNabb's 1 year deal left as well,knowing he has a pair of really good WR's..

[aceinthehouse]

Not to mention VJ would have caught those end zone "over the top" fade routes that Armstrong missed twice...

What is VJ....6'5"?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by aceinthehouse

not to mention vj would have caught those end zone "over the top" fade routes that armstrong missed twice...

What is vj....6'5"?

6'10.

[aceinthehouse]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

6'10.

lol

Yes,Vincent jackson is taller than Manute Bol...

VJ is 7'9" talll...
get'm
championship!

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by aceinthehouse

Not to mention VJ would have caught those end zone "over the top" fade routes that Armstrong missed twice...

What is VJ....6'5"?

No he wouldn't have, because he would have been sitting at home serving his 3-game suspension for violating the league's substance abuse policy.

[aceinthehouse]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

No he wouldn't have, because he would have been sitting at home serving his 3-game suspension for violating the league's substance abuse policy.

This is true...
nice catch...(no pun intended)

But he can catch our fade routes against G.B. then...

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by aceinthehouse

This is true...
nice catch...(no pun intended)

But he can catch our fade routes against G.B. then...

I think Redskins fans that want to get VJ need to plead with AJ Smith to free Jackson. Smith is the roadblock to any trade IMO.

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Yah, San Diego could care less about VJ because they have Legedu Naanee and Malcolm Floyd to replace him. Maybe we should emulate them. The NFL is a place where making decisions "intuitive risk-aversity", that is, going for something perceived as a "sure thing" over something risky, is likely to backfire because the "sure thing" is likely to fail itself, albeit at a lower rate than a rookie.

Plus, Smith (Charger's GM) is trying to make an example out of VJ, so until he changes this attitude, VJ is not going anywhere.

[SirClintonPortis]

Yah, San Diego could care less about VJ because they have Legedu Naanee and Malcolm Floyd to replace him. Maybe we should emulate them. The NFL is a place where making decisions based on "intuitive risk-aversity", that is, going for something perceived as a "sure thing" over something risky, is likely to backfire because the "sure thing" is likely to fail itself, albeit at a lower rate than a rookie.

[aceinthehouse]

Well,if they don't trade V-Jack by the deadline,then he will eventually just....walk at the end of the season and the chargers will get a 3rd round compensatory pick at the HIGHEST for losing him.

They could franchise him and pay him top 5 WR Salary,but that wouldn't make since to keep him,when they could just give him a contract that would be cheaper in the 2011 season than a franchise tag...

So this means they have to deal him.
But they want more than the 3rd round copensatory pick they would get if he walked...

So a 3rd,4th and 5th..
or a 2nd...
or two 3rds

are better,than 1 3rd round pick.

There just trying to get the best offer in value for VJ...

Now I know,they can get MORE than one 3rd rounder for VJ...

Shoot a 3rd and a 7th rounder,would be better than letting him go for just a 3rd...

And teams know this...
It's the chargers who are under the pressure of dealing him cause they have a Wednesday deadline...Their just trying to get as many and as best offers as possible.

It's an auction...

[mbedner3420]

I want this guy on the team so bad...he already has some familiarity with DMac...might as well pick him up if we don't sell the farm