King predicts Haynesworth to Redskins

[freddyg12]

Smoot, how could we get "a couple of 2nd or 3rd rounders in return" for Golston & AM? You think someone would trade that much for them? Sounds high to me.

There's no word of a tender on either. Isn't the deadline near or even passed for that?

[SmootSmack]

The deadline for tendering Montgomery and Golston is Thursday afternoon. From what I understand both are expected to receive 2nd round tenders (that could change I suppose). But anyway, suppose that happens. And like I said I really haven't heard of any team right now that's interested in Montgomery but at least 5 that are interested in Golston. So it's possible, if not probable, that he could be headed elsewhere and we could get a solid draft pick in return. But with RFA tenders, it has nothing to do with any prearranged trades really. It's not like the Redskins are actively shopping either of these guys around. They just know that it's potentially a win-win for them to give both 2nd round tenders.

[celts32]

Although I like Golston I would do cartwheels to get a 2nd round pick for him. That seems like a lot of compenstation for him and I wonder if it would scare off those 5 teams who like him.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The deadline for tendering Montgomery and Golston is Thursday afternoon. From what I understand both are expected to receive 2nd round tenders (that could change I suppose). But anyway, suppose that happens. And like I said I really haven't heard of any team right now that's interested in Montgomery but at least 5 that are interested in Golston. So it's possible, if not probable, that he could be headed elsewhere and we could get a solid draft pick in return. But with RFA tenders, it has nothing to do with any prearranged trades really. It's not like the Redskins are actively shopping either of these guys around. They just know that it's potentially a win-win for them to give both 2nd round tenders.

if we tender both of them for 2nd rounders, and no one else tries to sign them, what are we on the hook for, financially?

We just extended Griff. If we're on the hook in 2009 for Monty and Golston, AND we sign Haynesworth, that strikes me as overkill. I dont know why teams would want Golston over Monty, but maybe i misjudged his potential. Golton did a fine job last year, but i dont think he did anything to prove hes worth a 2nd rounder.

Originally Posted by celts32

Although I like Golston I would do cartwheels to get a 2nd round pick for him. That seems like a lot of compenstation for him and I wonder if it would scare off those 5 teams who like him.

well i honestly wouldnt want to let him go for less. id rather have golston than take a gamble on what vinny would do with a 3rd or 4th round pick.

[SmootSmack]

There probably are teams interested in Montgomery, I just haven't heard it. A 2nd round tender for each of them I believe is a 1 year, $1.5 million contract.

But suppose they do that, that doesn't mean we'd get a 2nd rounder in return. Case in point, the Niners placed a 1st round tender on Brandon Lloyd. Instead of trading a 1st, we traded a 3rd and 4th. So conceivably something similar could happen with us.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

There probably are teams interested in Montgomery, I just haven't heard it. A 2nd round tender for each of them I believe is a 1 year, $1.5 million contract.

But suppose they do that, that doesn't mean we'd get a 2nd rounder in return. Case in point, the Niners placed a 1st round tender on Brandon Lloyd. Instead of trading a 1st, we traded a 3rd and 4th. So conceivably something similar could happen with us.

Good point that it could be negotiated down from a #2. Assuming they signed AH I would let one of them go for maybe a #3 pick but no less then that. It also wouldn't be a bad way to go to just bring them both back anyway and have some nice depth on the interior DL for a change.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

There probably are teams interested in Montgomery, I just haven't heard it. A 2nd round tender for each of them I believe is a 1 year, $1.5 million contract.

But suppose they do that, that doesn't mean we'd get a 2nd rounder in return. Case in point, the Niners placed a 1st round tender on Brandon Lloyd. Instead of trading a 1st, we traded a 3rd and 4th. So conceivably something similar could happen with us.

Thanks for the info, i thought the price would be higher. Both guys are well worth 1.5M contracts for one year (1/82nd of our total cap room). However, if we had internally decided to let one of them walk at some point, id rather get some compensation for either of them now than let them walk a year later for nothing. Especially if the haynesworth rumor is true. I think the reason neither Monty or Golston has become a star yet is because alot of the time theyve been playing next to eachother. Both of them would benefit tremendously if they were playing alongside haynesworth. Then again, so would Griff and Lorenzo. If we did bring in Haynesworth, i could see us trading both those guys and hopefully using the picks do address our oline.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Thanks for the info, i thought the price would be higher. Both guys are well worth 1.5M contracts for one year (1/82nd of our total cap room). However, if we had internally decided to let one of them walk at some point, id rather get some compensation for either of them now than let them walk a year later for nothing. Especially if the haynesworth rumor is true. I think the reason neither Monty or Golston has become a star yet is because alot of the time theyve been playing next to eachother. Both of them would benefit tremendously if they were playing alongside haynesworth. Then again, so would Griff and Lorenzo. If we did bring in Haynesworth, i could see us trading both those guys and hopefully using the picks do address our oline.

Trading both is risky...Griff is getting old to be a full season starter and we also need to remember that AH never plays a full season so depth behind him will be important. I would trade whichever one I could get more for and keep the other. I would prefer to keep Monty I guess if I had a choice..

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The deadline for tendering Montgomery and Golston is Thursday afternoon. From what I understand both are expected to receive 2nd round tenders (that could change I suppose). But anyway, suppose that happens. And like I said I really haven't heard of any team right now that's interested in Montgomery but at least 5 that are interested in Golston. So it's possible, if not probable, that he could be headed elsewhere and we could get a solid draft pick in return. But with RFA tenders, it has nothing to do with any prearranged trades really. It's not like the Redskins are actively shopping either of these guys around. They just know that it's potentially a win-win for them to give both 2nd round tenders.

thanks, knew you'd have an explanation. I'd forgotten about the tender for rfa's as a means of trade facilitation.

I hope both are back here & maybe next season both can get decent deals to stay. Neither is a star but both have proven capable of starting & playing solid gap control.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by celts32

Trading both is risky...Griff is getting old to be a full season starter and we also need to remember that AH never plays a full season so depth behind him will be important. I would trade whichever one I could get more for and keep the other. I would prefer to keep Monty I guess if I had a choice..

It would definitely be risky, but i have a soft spot for Lorenzo Alexander. I guess it depends on what the compensation would be but if i thought we could get 2nd rounder for both of them, it might be too good of an offer to pass up. we found both of them in the later rounds so i'm pretty sure we could find something like them in the 2009 draft. i would be pretty happy about our DT situation with Haynesworth, Griffin, Alexander and a mid round draft pick. However, Haynesworth, Griffin, Alexander, and Monty or Golston would be utter pimpage.

[celts32]

I don't know what to make out of Lorenzo Alexander just yet...I know I want him on the roster but I also know I don't want to count on him being anything more then a depth player next year. I am sure the coaches knew what they were doing but I was sort of hoping he would have stayed on the offensive side of the ball.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The deadline for tendering Montgomery and Golston is Thursday afternoon. From what I understand both are expected to receive 2nd round tenders (that could change I suppose). But anyway, suppose that happens. And like I said I really haven't heard of any team right now that's interested in Montgomery but at least 5 that are interested in Golston. So it's possible, if not probable, that he could be headed elsewhere and we could get a solid draft pick in return. But with RFA tenders, it has nothing to do with any prearranged trades really. It's not like the Redskins are actively shopping either of these guys around. They just know that it's potentially a win-win for them to give both 2nd round tenders.

Montgomery looks just a little bit out of place in our defense (it's not that he doesn't dominate, it's that his weaknesses sometimes get exposed simply by his positioning). He's a prototype 3-4 nose (although you might want a more consistent player in that position if you are an exclusive 3-4 defense), but is a pretty decent 4-3 nose. Unfortunately, I think that's the position Albert Haynesworth plays in the Tennessee defense.

Montgomery isn't very adaptable within the confines of our defense. Neither is Golston frankly. Both guys are line 'em up over the ball types who can create a lot of havoc against the run (and in Monty's case, the pass as well). If we get Haynesworth, there's no point to bringing them both back. No reason at all.

Either way, Griffin still has the keystone role in the defense, because he's that three technique that is so important in the run fit schemes that Blache plays. I'm sure Haynesworth could play the same position just fine, but he would lose some of his value if we move him off the nose.

I feel like I'm talking as if Haynesworth is already a done deal, which I don't believe at all, but I'm seeing a Haynesworth-Griffin combination next year whcih is 1) very, very good, but also 2) going to block the younger talent we need to develop.

Best case scenario, is that someone in need of a 4-3 nose signs Golston to an offer sheet and we just let him go. Then we get the second rounder back, and actually have gained some pass rushing ability in the whole process. Otherwise, if we get Haynesworth, we have a bench full of starter-quality young talent with no place to get on the field.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Thanks for the info, i thought the price would be higher. Both guys are well worth 1.5M contracts for one year (1/82nd of our total cap room). However, if we had internally decided to let one of them walk at some point, id rather get some compensation for either of them now than let them walk a year later for nothing. Especially if the haynesworth rumor is true. I think the reason neither Monty or Golston has become a star yet is because alot of the time theyve been playing next to eachother. Both of them would benefit tremendously if they were playing alongside haynesworth. Then again, so would Griff and Lorenzo. If we did bring in Haynesworth, i could see us trading both those guys and hopefully using the picks do address our oline.

Excellent point BHA. Unlike Rogers and Hall, Monty and Golston have never benefited from each others presence. Golston has just sort of forced Monty out of position, and his production looks more uneven than the film on him suggests it would.

Unfortunately, Haynesworth doesn't fix this problem, he just makes it worse. Haynesworth DOES fit perfectly in scheme with Griffin, though.

[GTripp0012]

And for what it's worth, the market rate for a young DT with potential appears to be set at a 3rd and 5th rounder. I would have a hard time passing up that offer for either of our RFA DTs.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Haynesworth is 28 and historically DTs start declining before they hit 30. They can still be good, but to expect Haynesworth, a huge dude whose been double-teamed for most of his 7 year career, to hold up for the next 5-6 years is utter foolishness. If he didnt have character issues and wasnt considered lazy every year except the last two where he has been playing for a new contract, then we could reasonably expect to get another year or two out of him. however, since he has only played at an elite level the past two years, we have nothing to make us think he'll continue to play that hard when he gets his money. All the odds are stacked in favor of Haynesworth being a disappointment on the team that signs him. Is it possible Haynesworth will continue to play at his 2008 level for the next 2-3years and still play at a high level for 2-3 more after that? sure. but its simply not likely. IMO the odds of that happening given everything ive mentioned above are probably around 0-20%. Without being 100% sure the salary cap will go away in 2010 and never come back again, its simply too great a risk to take.

Man, you take everything posted here WAYYYY too seriously. Relax :headbange