Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)

[tryfuhl]

a lot of right put out right there

hall did stick dude on 4th and goal to end that goal line run though

some good people you put on the spot that were less involved than most people think

appreciate the quickness too

[Beemnseven]

DeAngelo Hall is going to get a lot of grief today, but let's not overstate that missed tackle on Delhomme. The game was lost anyway.

Even if Carolina was forced to punt, does anybody really believe we would have marched down the field for the game-winning/tying score?

[insideman]

Zorn couldn't lead a group of girl scouts to a ice cream parlor giving away free ice cream. Dum ass. But also to be fare to him, the offense sucks and blame that on Snyder

[T.A.P.O.A.F.O.R.]

I think we've learned one very valuable thing from all of this: do not hire any coach whose name is any combination of the letters N,O,R, and V.

[T.A.P.O.A.F.O.R.]

Originally Posted by T.A.P.O.A.F.O.R.

I think we've learned one very valuable thing from all of this: do not hire any coach whose name is any combination of the letters N,O,R, and V.

sorry, i must still be spinning fromk the game. well, coach vorn is almost right. sigh...

[Green1]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

With apologies to DCPSR, I didn't want to wait to lay the smack down. So I'm going to temporarily divert from the new plan and post it directly on here today.

Let's get right to it. Time to lay the smack down

Jim Zorn Raise your hand if you're secretly hoping we keep losing up until the bye week just to end this failed Zorn as HC experiment and put us all out of our misery. Seriously though, I'm obviously not rooting for a Redskins loss ever, but Zorn is way overmatched. No timeouts with 8 minutes left that's poor coaching in my opinion. Especially the 4th down timeout. Always know before 3rd down what you would do on the 4th down. Nice guy it seems, and I hope he continues to have success in the NFL, but this just isn't the place for him.

Stephon Heyer Wow. I mean just wow. That "block" on the safety may just have been the ugliest block I've ever seen in football. That was u-g-l-y...and he ain't got no alibi

Byron Westbrook This is like Special Teams 101. Don't get blocked into your own guy. Especially when he's the returner trying to make a fair catch with the lead in the 4th quarter. Westbrook's second special teams mistake this year (at least), following the whiff on Hunter's beautiful punt inside the 5 against the Giants

DeAngelo Hall Nice job with the INT but how do you let Jake Delhomme go Allen Iverson 2002 on you and break your ankles on a 3rd and 8? You got posterized by Delhomme...on a running play? Sad dude, sad

President Joe Gibbs Say what? You're going to hate on Gibbs? Saint Gibbs? Blasphemous! It's all Vinny's fault....Let's get this straight. Huge, Kim Kardashian's derrier-huge Gibbs fan. But before we get on Vinny for not drafting linemen let's not forget it was Gibbs who was in charge who called for us to trade a 3rd and a 4th for Brandon Lloyd and a 3rd for TJ Duckett. With some more picks maybe we could have done more to address our needs.

Thinking Orakpo wasn't a good draft pick Ridiculous. Orakpo was a great, great pick. He will be a beast of a pass rusher. And if we hadn't drafted him there'd be chants of "why didn't we draft a pass rusher" Drafting Orakpo wasn't the problem. But not giving him more playing time at DE where he can actually rush the passer probably is.

Browns vs. Bills Just wanted to throw this in here because it was so horrible. Derek Anderson goes 2-17. 2-17. And he was the winning QB!

So what now? Well, who really knows. I guess the big question is how soon until Mike Shanahan takes over. Forget all this talk about Shanny not coming here. If we want him bad enough, we'll get him. In my opinion, to sign him mid-season we have to offer him a lot. A lot! Head coach, president, general manager, probably some ownership stake. Shanahan in charge of personnel scares me. But it could easily happen. And it probably will. Personally, I'd rather just ride out the season and get a Bruce Allen, Reggie McKenzie, type and pair him up with a Russ Grimm, Brian Schottenheimer or even Kyle Shanahan. Either way, things look bleak right now.

Zorn: College offensive passing game. He needs to go b4 we lose to KC.
Stephon Heyer: You're right on this point, but you left out Batiste.
Bryon Westbrook: Just a dumb play.
DeAngelo Hall: He needs to work on his tackling. Tackling Drills All Next Week.
Joe Gibbs: Not to blame at all, this is still Gibbs team, Zorn has the D and the running plays from Gibbs, the problem is the passing game, and playcalling. Look at the good players that he brought in.
Orakpo: Good player at DE, they need the let him play DE not linebacker. King beat him for the touchdown, Zorn is HC he needs to change that today.
Derek Anderson goes 2-17: And people say JC is a bad QB, look at the alternatives.
I'm open for almost anyone to come in as HC now, Grimm or almost anyone from the Gibbs coaching tree.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Green1

Zorn: College offensive passing game. He needs to go b4 we lose to KC.
Stephon Heyer: You're right on this point, but you left out Batiste.
Bryon Westbrook: Just a dumb play.
DeAngelo Hall: He needs to work on his tackling. Tackling Drills All Next Week.
Joe Gibbs: Not to blame at all, this is still Gibbs team, Zorn has the D and the running plays from Gibbs, the problem is the passing game, and playcalling. Look at the good players that he brought in.
Orakpo: Good player at DE, they need the let him play DE not linebacker. King beat him for the touchdown, Zorn is HC he needs to change that today.
Derek Anderson goes 2-17: And people say JC is a bad QB, look at the alternatives.
I'm open for almost anyone to come in as HC now, Grimm or almost anyone from the Gibbs coaching tree.

Horton, Moore, Tryon, Hall, Jarmon, Orakpo, Haynesworth...Gibbs didn't bring any of those guys in.

I understand that it's easy to just say all blame goes to Cerrato and all credit goes to Gibbs...but let's be real here. Yes, Gibbs brought in some great players and did some great thing his second time around. But he did also make some big personnel blunders (I didn't even mention the Campbell trade which wasn't just a swap of first rounders and could end up being a blunder as well) that have negatively impacted us. There's no getting around that

[celts32]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Horton, Moore, Tryon, Hall, Jarmon, Orakpo, Haynesworth...Gibbs didn't bring any of those guys in.

I understand that it's easy to just say all blame goes to Cerrato and all credit goes to Gibbs...but let's be real here. Yes, Gibbs brought in some great players and did some great thing his second time around. But he did also make some big personnel blunders (I didn't even mention the Campbell trade which wasn't just a swap of first rounders and could end up being a blunder as well) that have negatively impacted us. There's no getting around that

Isn't it really irrelivent how much of the fault actually lies with Vinny? I could be wrong but I read your posts a lot and I think that you believe that we would be better off if Vinny made more of the decisions then he has been allowed to make. In a way that is actually the same exact reason why most of us want him out. He does not have the clout as a GM and the respect of Snyder to make him step back. The only way the Redskins can win at all under Snyder is to have a GM that Snyder respects enough to step back. As long as Vinny is in charge of personel Snyder will always be too involved.

[tdSKINS1]

Didn't Joe Gibbs also get a guy named Sean Taylor and Chris Cooley??

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by tdSKINS1

Didn't Joe Gibbs also get a guy named Sean Taylor and Chris Cooley??

He also got JC and Carlos Rogers

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

With apologies to DCPSR, I didn't want to wait to lay the smack down. So I'm going to temporarily divert from the new plan and post it directly on here today.

Let's get right to it. Time to lay the smack down

Jim Zorn Raise your hand if you're secretly hoping we keep losing up until the bye week just to end this failed Zorn as HC experiment and put us all out of our misery. Seriously though, I'm obviously not rooting for a Redskins loss ever, but Zorn is way overmatched. No timeouts with 8 minutes left that's poor coaching in my opinion. Especially the 4th down timeout. Always know before 3rd down what you would do on the 4th down. Nice guy it seems, and I hope he continues to have success in the NFL, but this just isn't the place for him.

Stephon Heyer Wow. I mean just wow. That "block" on the safety may just have been the ugliest block I've ever seen in football. That was u-g-l-y...and he ain't got no alibi

Byron Westbrook This is like Special Teams 101. Don't get blocked into your own guy. Especially when he's the returner trying to make a fair catch with the lead in the 4th quarter. Westbrook's second special teams mistake this year (at least), following the whiff on Hunter's beautiful punt inside the 5 against the Giants

DeAngelo Hall Nice job with the INT but how do you let Jake Delhomme go Allen Iverson 2002 on you and break your ankles on a 3rd and 8? You got posterized by Delhomme...on a running play? Sad dude, sad

President Joe Gibbs Say what? You're going to hate on Gibbs? Saint Gibbs? Blasphemous! It's all Vinny's fault....Let's get this straight. Huge, Kim Kardashian's derrier-huge Gibbs fan. But before we get on Vinny for not drafting linemen let's not forget it was Gibbs who was in charge who called for us to trade a 3rd and a 4th for Brandon Lloyd and a 3rd for TJ Duckett. With some more picks maybe we could have done more to address our needs.

Thinking Orakpo wasn't a good draft pick Ridiculous. Orakpo was a great, great pick. He will be a beast of a pass rusher. And if we hadn't drafted him there'd be chants of "why didn't we draft a pass rusher" Drafting Orakpo wasn't the problem. But not giving him more playing time at DE where he can actually rush the passer probably is.

Browns vs. Bills Just wanted to throw this in here because it was so horrible. Derek Anderson goes 2-17. 2-17. And he was the winning QB!

So what now? Well, who really knows. I guess the big question is how soon until Mike Shanahan takes over. Forget all this talk about Shanny not coming here. If we want him bad enough, we'll get him. In my opinion, to sign him mid-season we have to offer him a lot. A lot! Head coach, president, general manager, probably some ownership stake. Shanahan in charge of personnel scares me. But it could easily happen. And it probably will. Personally, I'd rather just ride out the season and get a Bruce Allen, Reggie McKenzie, type and pair him up with a Russ Grimm, Brian Schottenheimer or even Kyle Shanahan. Either way, things look bleak right now.

I agree. I'd like to see Grimm paired with a good personnel guy. The big name guys may lack the hunger that Grimm might bring. He could be the Offensive version of Mike Singletary, and he's got GLORY DAY REDSKIN DNA coursing through his veins. He would excite the "base" like no other. It's a Danny Boy cream his pants, wet dream special. Marketing glitz with actual results to go along with it.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

I agree. I'd like to see Grimm paired with a good personnel guy. The big name guys may lack the hunger that Grimm might bring. He could be the Offensive version of Mike Singletary, and he's got GLORY DAY REDSKIN DNA coursing through his veins. He would excite the "base" like no other. It's a Danny Boy cream his pants, wet dream special. Marketing glitz with actual results to go along with it.

Good points Deezel. He might be agreeable to drafting some o-linemen too.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Good points Deezel. He might be agreeable to drafting some o-linemen too.

Bet your ass he would. He knows the Skins Super Bowl teams won because of dominant O line play, good Defenses and whoever the hell they had available to suit up at QB, RB and WR. With the exception of the 1982 team. Riggins, of course, consumed the Dolphins with firebolts from his eyes and bolts of lightning from his arse.:headbange

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Bet your ass he would. He knows the Skins Super Bowl teams won because of dominant O line play, good Defenses and whoever the hell they had available to suit up at QB, RB and WR. With the exception of the 1982 team. Riggins, of course, consumed the Dolphins with firebolts from his eyes and bolts of lightning from his arse.:headbange

You're not William Wallace. William Wallace is 7 feet tall.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Bet your ass he would. He knows the Skins Super Bowl teams won because of dominant O line play, good Defenses and whoever the hell they had available to suit up at QB, RB and WR. With the exception of the 1982 team. Riggins, of course, consumed the Dolphins with firebolts from his eyes and bolts of lightning from his arse.:headbange

Hell yeah! I'd love to see those days again. I'm so tired of this s**t.