Guard watches coast for oil slick's first wave

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

Yeah, BP should foot the entire cleanup bill. Politically it just keeps getting better for dems. This should give them cover in axing coast drilling....hopefully they'll use it.

Not necessarily.....

"Last month, Obama proposed new offshore drilling in the Atlantic Ocean from Delaware to central Florida, plus the northern waters of Alaska. Obama also wanted Congress to lift a drilling ban in the oil-rich eastern Gulf of Mexico, 125 miles from Florida beaches. Drilling already takes place in western and central areas of the Gulf of Mexico."

I believe BP is responsible for the entire cleanup bill based on laws enacted after the Valdez spill.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Not necessarily.....

"Last month, Obama proposed new offshore drilling in the Atlantic Ocean from Delaware to central Florida, plus the northern waters of Alaska. Obama also wanted Congress to lift a drilling ban in the oil-rich eastern Gulf of Mexico, 125 miles from Florida beaches. Drilling already takes place in western and central areas of the Gulf of Mexico."

I believe BP is responsible for the entire cleanup bill based on laws enacted after the Valdez spill.

Which was just a compromise in order to help get the energy reform motions going. This is a live illustration of the costs of compromise when it comes to these things. What if 5 new rigs go up, 3 are built by the same company, have a design flaw and all of them end up failing, or even just two at once?

Meanwhile, just like the bailout, the Republicans will pretend that they never wanted it or pushed for it most likely.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Which was just a compromise in order to help get the energy reform motions going. This is a live illustration of the costs of compromise when it comes to these things. What if 5 new rigs go up, 3 are built by the same company, have a design flaw and all of them end up failing, or even just two at once?

Meanwhile, just like the bailout, the Republicans will pretend that they never wanted it or pushed for it most likely.

That will be spinless republicans who like to take the easy way out instead of fighting for what they believe. From what I read it seems we have already learned from this spill and what went wrong. If what I read was correct these oil rigs have to emergency cut off valves. The main valve will autmatically shot off the flow of oil when something goes wrong and that valve failed. The back up valve has to be shot off manually but the rig collapsed around the valve and they cannot reach it. If you remember when this first happened they thought we would just have a small oil spill but now that they cannot shut off these valves it has become a real mess.

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

That will be spinless republicans who like to take the easy way out instead of fighting for what they believe. From what I read it seems we have already learned from this spill and what went wrong. If what I read was correct these oil rigs have to emergency cut off valves. The main valve will autmatically shot off the flow of oil when something goes wrong and that valve failed. The back up valve has to be shot off manually but the rig collapsed around the valve and they cannot reach it. If you remember when this first happened they thought we would just have a small oil spill but now that they cannot shut off these valves it has become a real mess.

Bash BP hell yeah...
If the rig does not fail, BP profits. But when a mistake happens it affects us all.
That's a trend I am getting tired of. It is not capitalism at all.
Invade Iraq if they greet us a liberators then Big Oil is super wealthy. If it fails we are all in danger from terrorists.
Wall Street casino mentality. If they win they win not we win. If they fail we fail not them.
This time they went to far. There is not enough money in the world to fix this mess. The Gulf of Mexico is a gift from god we sacrificed for profits. Not profits for our country but profits for some share holders. but our country is gonna pay the balance.

Free Market jerks are liars. they don't want capitalism they are taking advantage. Capitalism is taking a risk, they are not taking any "alone" yet if the gamble works they "profit alone".

This is a new form of socialism. Collectivist risk individual profits.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by saden1

Yeah, BP should foot the entire cleanup bill. Politically it just keeps getting better for dems. This should give them cover in axing coast drilling....hopefully they'll use it.

So you LIKE being at the mercy of foreign countries who hate us for our oil? You LIKE paying more than you should?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Buster

So you LIKE being at the mercy of foreign countries who hate us for our oil? You LIKE paying more than you should?

Guilty on all counts...what can I say? I like making it rain, if Iran collects a few bills it ain't nuffin' but pocket change. Hootie-hoo!

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

Guilty on all counts...what can I say? I like making it rain, if Iran collects a few bills it ain't nuffin' but pocket change. Hootie-hoo!

Brit Hume reported on Fox tonight that the percentage of oil spills from tankers is much higher than from oil rigs. I haven't verified this info.

Also, it appears MMS has a hand in this as well (NY Times actually came through on this one, likely because Bush was in ofice at the time).

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/11/wa...pagewanted=all


Good info from WSJ on Acoustic Control that was lacking on this rig, oil company (didn't put it in for $ 500K) and MMS (didn't require it because regulators coked/sexed up w/oil co. folks) screwed the pooch on this.

Leaking Oil Well Lacked Safeguard Device - WSJ.com

I think there's going to be plenty of blame to go around, but simply keeping the status quo on oil imports isn't the answer here. Better planning, better safety regulations and competent regulatory enforcement seem like the answer.

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Brit Hume reported on Fox tonight that the percentage of oil spills from tankers is much higher than from oil rigs. I haven't verified this info.

Also, it appears MMS has a hand in this as well (NY Times actually came through on this one, likely because Bush was in ofice at the time).

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/11/wa...pagewanted=all


Good info from WSJ on Acoustic Control that was lacking on this rig, oil company (didn't put it in for $ 500K) and MMS (didn't require it because regulators coked/sexed up w/oil co. folks) screwed the pooch on this.

Leaking Oil Well Lacked Safeguard Device - WSJ.com

I think there's going to be plenty of blame to go around, but simply keeping the status quo on oil imports isn't the answer here. Better planning, better safety regulations and competent regulatory enforcement seem like the answer.

You do know all oil is traded on commodity markets? You buying oil, all oil is on this market. You pump more oil Iran is still making the same amount of money. Only thing pumping more can do is help with the price. BP is not an American entity it is a multinational corporation with loyalty only to profit. Where is their headquarters again? Another thing, being jealous of Arabs and Persians having alot of oil reserves is stupid. Their deposits are far superior, more accessible, and of far better quality. It's kinda like speed, you can't teach speed and you can't teach natural resources. The answer is to use our superior technology and over throw their advantage. We must remember that strategy has never been the strength of the right wing anyway(exhibit A black president, exhibit b civil rights movement). Thanks tea party.

[saden1]

I'm glad BP is slated to foot the cleanup bill. Not sure this has an impact to "proposals." What Obama proposed is nowhere near actionable so there is time to reverse. All he has to do is say "After this disaster we'll going to re-think these proposals." Plus Dems haven't passed laws allowing for off-shore drilling yet. Whatever happens you can bet the GOP will oppose them.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

I'm glad BP is slated to foot the cleanup bill. Not sure this has an impact to "proposals." Obama proposed is nowhere near actionable so there is time to reverse. All he has to do is say "After this disaster we'll going to re-think these proposals." Plus Dems haven't passed laws allowing for off-shore drilling yet. Whatever happens can bet the GOP will oppose them.

Well as a person who is for offshore drilling I want a full investigation into this accident and how to prevent this from happening again before they start drilling off VA.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Well as a person who is for offshore drilling I want a full investigation into this accident and how to prevent this from happening again before they start drilling off VA.

agreed 100%

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Well as a person who is for offshore drilling I want a full investigation into this accident and how to prevent this from happening again before they start drilling off VA.

replace VA with anywhere

[firstdown]

Ok while at lunch I was reading the papper and it occured to me that I was wrong and Obama has been jsut sitting there doing nothing for the last 7 days. While this is all on BP our goverment has the duty to protect us and Obama is failing. Finaly yesterday Obama (after 7 days of doing nothing) has committed all the resources they have to containing the spill. Ok, but why did you wait 7 days when it is now just off the coast and not when it first happened? Then on my way back to the office I hear Obama on the news say he will get his first reports from people on the ground later today. OK now its 8 days and he is getting his first reports from people there. Wow, great response time. I hope my local firedepartment is just a little faster. I'm not blaming Obama for this but I do blame him for not responding sooner and using the equipment the federal goverment and states own.

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Ok while at lunch I was reading the papper and it occured to me that I was wrong and Obama has been jsut sitting there doing nothing for the last 7 days. While this is all on BP our goverment has the duty to protect us and Obama is failing. Finaly yesterday Obama (after 7 days of doing nothing) has committed all the resources they have to containing the spill. Ok, but why did you wait 7 days when it is now just off the coast and not when it first happened? Then on my way back to the office I hear Obama on the news say he will get his first reports from people on the ground later today. OK now its 8 days and he is getting his first reports from people there. Wow, great response time. I hope my local firedepartment is just a little faster. I'm not blaming Obama for this but I do blame him for not responding sooner and using the equipment the federal goverment and states own.

why should our government use equipment to help a mulit-national Iranian revolution starting BP Oil?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

why should our government use equipment to help a mulit-national Iranian revolution starting BP Oil?

Because its our coast line that its getting ready to hit. Help with the clean up then send BP a hugh bill.