QB controversey?

gortiz · 08-22-2005, 01:09 PM

I voted ramsey, cause, you can see that strides are being made to implemet a more aggressive passing attack and Ramsey is somewhat folloing through on that and that is encouraging, what is a little scary is all these 11-5, 10-6 predictions need to be scaled back. The more I see Ramsey, the more I see a work in progress - but right now, with out Portis, and the running game being used it is hard to get a good read.

illdefined · 08-22-2005, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GoSkins!

That said, if Ramsey continues to throw the ball to the wrong guy in non pressure situations (i.e. first down inside the redzone) we have to start paying attention to that.

the throw on first was a preseason experiment that wouldn't have happened like that with Portis and Cooley in the lineup. remember the priority in preseason is practice new stuff and see your limits, not WIN the game.

can't believe people are thinking Brunell already and booing Ramsey on the field. especially after throwing 190 yds in the first half without his key weapons. when did we get 190 yds in the air a GAME last season??

us Skins fans are as shellshocked as Ramsey after all these years, but at least he's actively breaking out of it! rejoice, see the improvement.

SmootSmack · 08-22-2005, 01:40 PM

I'm really happy for MB. The guy has had too good a career for last season's abysmal performance to be the last memories of him as a QB. He has shown this preseason that he can still play. He's checking off receivers, showing good mobility, and has nice zip and accuracy on his passes. I know it's against second stringers but he's also playing alongside a lot of second stringers. Instead of worrying that we have a QB controversy again, I think we should be happy that we have a backup in Brunell who still has it, or got it back at least.

However, as good as Brunell is playing, I still expect Ramsey to be the starter. On the positive side, he has a strong arm. He's hitting Patten and Moss on the deep routes, for the most part, and he's placing the ball where the receivers can catch the ball and run. And in his defense, he's not playing with arguably the two most important offensive players Portis and Cooley Also, I can't expect him to have the same improvising ability that Brunell has. Brunell has a decade more of NFL experience. However...the excuses are running out for Ramsey. His inconsistency is getting old fast. And I'm tired of hearing how "tough" he is, and how he still has doubts because of the lack of pass protection from Spurrier's offense. Enough already, he needs to step up and win the starting job, as opposed to not lose it. There's no sense of urgency it seems from him. My guess is he starts this season and does just well enough to hold onto the job, at least for the first half of the season. In 2006 he's gone and Brunell starts, unless Campbell is actually ready by then.

RedskinRat · 08-22-2005, 01:48 PM

IMHO Ramsey just needs to get his rhythym going. He's going to surprise everyone.

New WR's, different scheme, early days. Would I like to have seen the Skins come out on fire and light everyone up in pre-season? Yes and no. I want them to use the Preseason as a learning phase and be 'en fuego' for 19 games in 2005. That'll really make me happy.

dblanch66 · 08-22-2005, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by illdefined

the throw on first was a preseason experiment that wouldn't have happened like that with Portis and Cooley in the lineup. remember the priority in preseason is practice new stuff and see your limits, not WIN the game.

can't believe people are thinking Brunell already and booing Ramsey on the field. especially after throwing 190 yds in the first half without his key weapons. when did we get 190 yds in the air a GAME last season??

us Skins fans are as shellshocked as Ramsey after all these years, but at least he's actively breaking out of it! rejoice, see the improvement.

Yeah...the booing from the fans at a preseason game was just ridiculous. What..are we turning into cryboy fans now? Eagirl fans? Let's cut that crap out. Bottom line is: Ramsey all the way. He was drafted under Spurrier and backed up studs like Shane Matthews and Danny Weurfell so there was nothing to learn there..no mentors. Then he gets thrust into the game against Tennessee and with nothing but his own mettle, wins the friggin' game even after being beaten to death.
He survives (barely) that "system" only to be injured, given a new system when Gibbs is hired and the new head coach brings in a veteran qb to challenge him as the incumbent starter. Oh...and then his best friend on the team and the team's best lineman goes down with an injury in the 1st preseason game. He gets thrust into the Giant game in week 2 (which was a lost cause) he throws 3 int's trying to fix the mess we were in and everyone wants to kill him. Jesus Christ!!!!! What do you people expect?? Marino went into an established system that had been in place for years with a good teacher in Don Strock to guide him. Significant? You bet. Same can be said for MOST other QB's that have had success...Brady, Roethlisberger, Mcnabb etc.
Patrick has had no stability. He has been beaten up physically, emotionally, spiritually and now from the fans. BUT... he is still plugging. I love this guys guts, determination and drive and willingness to not let it get him down. Hmmmm.."guts, determination, drive..." : these might be qualities I want in a QB.
Pat will be our starter for the whole year and I look forward to him showing why he will continue to be for years to come.
just my opinion...

irish · 08-22-2005, 01:56 PM

PR is the starter now but he wont be by week 4. Gibbs just will not put up with poor decision making and mistakes that PR continues to make in his 4th year in the league. Campbell is the QB of the future and if the season takes an unfortunate turn for the skins then look for Campbell to get lots of playing time so he will be better ready to be the starter next year.

TheMalcolmConnection · 08-22-2005, 02:06 PM

I agree that he's had his share of adversity, but if you don't have guts, determination and drive, you don't belong in the NFL in the first place. This is his do or die year and I fully expect him to "do".

However, if he just "kinda does" or "kinda doesn't" expect him to be gone next year. It's a contract year and there's a rookie waiting in the wings...

JWsleep · 08-22-2005, 02:46 PM

The jury is still out on Ramsey, but the only way to find out if he's got it is to let him develop chemistry with these new WRs, get used to Joe's system, and to get comfortable with the revamped line. If all that occurs, and he still makes the bonehead TOs and misreads, he's gone. Week 8.

offiss · 08-22-2005, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BrudLee

I think people are being a little quick to declare Ramsey's career in Washington ove based on these two preseason games. We have shown precisely nothing to other teams, other than the shotgun formation. No trick plays, no special sets (other than the shotgun formation) - nothing.

We are running a "vanilla" set, while we learn what our players are capable of. Beat up Ramsey for the INTs if you want, but also admit that Brunell likely is throwing for 190 first half yards. Brunell averaged less than 133 yards per FULL GAME last year. That isn;t just bad for the passing game, it's bad for the running game as well. Having a QB who can stretch the field makes Portis's job a lot easier, too.

And honestly, as a defensive coordinator facing the Redskins, when you see Broughton, Cartwright or even Betts in the backfield (instead of Portis), you don't cheat your safeties up to the line, you leave them in pass coverage. That doesn't help Patrick.

Whether we stretch the field with the pass, or run the ball to force a team to over commit to the running game, one or the other has to happen, we have to be able to impose our will on a defense, in doing so force them to over commit allowing us an advantage either in the secondary with the passing game, or at the line of scrimmage with the running game, and that's what we are not seeing in pre-season, Gibbs is not going to show that, he's not going to allow continuity on offense until the games count, his play calling right now is to see how the line looks and take a look at the new backs, but primarily he wants to get the passing game going, so we are right now throwing more and without the ade of a real running game, my hope is that once the season starts we will be running the ball down teams throats, which will give Patrick a much easier time of it with the passing game. From what I have seen so far from our line I am very encouraged that they will be able to that in the opener.

BigSKINBauer · 08-22-2005, 04:19 PM

Like already said we haven't even played our 'real' game yet, this is preseason, this is trick play throw deep and see what you can get preseason. not that we have done trick plays or anything but we aren't playing our 'strategy'. Wait for atleast 4 real games before we just throw PR our of DC. Because remember that is what is being proposed by some because once he is out, he is out, no comming back, no drew brees no nothing he is gone and off to another team.

Just look at his last REAL games, the games that he played well. We are acting like this is the first time we have seen him, we are judging everything on two preseason games and many were judging him on one. Lets remember we went 3-2 last year at the end and even though Ramsey did throw a game ending INT in philly he played a very good game with over 250 yards, but then again he threw for 190 yards in a HALF during the preseason.
I was happy comming into the preseason and had faith in ramsey and no preseason game can break that

All i care about is the run, the run that we have hoped would improve. What i saw during the bengals game wasn't Ramsey doing bad, what i saw was ramsey streching the field, he streched the d, he removed 8 from the box, he created room. The DBs were playing off because no one is afraid of ladell just yet. This makes it harder for our friend patrick but there will be the right mix in the season of room and too much playing off, if we call the right plays at the right time there will be no stopping portis from 1700 yards and any team with a D this good and a running game that will get 1700 yards will go to the playoffs, so to act like this is a practice year for the future is giving up on the playoffs, We all know we were capable to make the playoffs last year with that piece of shit we called an offense, i don't think that we are any worse than last year, i don't recall 190 yard halfs, i don't recall 20+ yards per completion ON AVERAGE!! ON AVERAGE 20 yards.

I will be at the steelers game and i for one will be cheering ramsey, EXPECIALLY if he throws an INT.

kingerock · 08-22-2005, 04:32 PM

If I can see the same improvement from week to week life i'm seeing now and was seeing at the end of the season, i'm alright with Ramsey. He has a great arm and accuracy and he is showing flares of making the right decisions, but just needs to become a little more consistent.

Besides the fact that the real star of the team, Portis, has only touched the ball 4 or 5 times, if that, in the 2 preseason games. Let him take some pressure off and i think it makes it that much easier to have a solid passing game.

TheMalcolmConnection · 08-22-2005, 04:35 PM

I'll be at the Steelers game as well..!!

BigSKINBauer · 08-22-2005, 04:40 PM

very cool now a couple people are going, i am actually hoping to go, looking for tickets, but i'll get some

TheMalcolmConnection · 08-22-2005, 04:54 PM

Talk to Daseal, he said something about possibly having some...

View Poll Results: After 2 preseason games, who is your starter?
Ramsey	51	89.47%
Brunell	4	7.02%
Campbell	2	3.51%
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08-22-2005, 01:09 PM	#31
gortiz Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 498	Re: QB controversey? I voted ramsey, cause, you can see that strides are being made to implemet a more aggressive passing attack and Ramsey is somewhat folloing through on that and that is encouraging, what is a little scary is all these 11-5, 10-6 predictions need to be scaled back. The more I see Ramsey, the more I see a work in progress - but right now, with out Portis, and the running game being used it is hard to get a good read. __________________ "If people are underestimating us," Jansen said, "there will be a rude awakening this year."

08-22-2005, 01:40 PM	#33
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: QB controversey? I'm really happy for MB. The guy has had too good a career for last season's abysmal performance to be the last memories of him as a QB. He has shown this preseason that he can still play. He's checking off receivers, showing good mobility, and has nice zip and accuracy on his passes. I know it's against second stringers but he's also playing alongside a lot of second stringers. Instead of worrying that we have a QB controversy again, I think we should be happy that we have a backup in Brunell who still has it, or got it back at least. However, as good as Brunell is playing, I still expect Ramsey to be the starter. On the positive side, he has a strong arm. He's hitting Patten and Moss on the deep routes, for the most part, and he's placing the ball where the receivers can catch the ball and run. And in his defense, he's not playing with arguably the two most important offensive players Portis and Cooley Also, I can't expect him to have the same improvising ability that Brunell has. Brunell has a decade more of NFL experience. However...the excuses are running out for Ramsey. His inconsistency is getting old fast. And I'm tired of hearing how "tough" he is, and how he still has doubts because of the lack of pass protection from Spurrier's offense. Enough already, he needs to step up and win the starting job, as opposed to not lose it. There's no sense of urgency it seems from him. My guess is he starts this season and does just well enough to hold onto the job, at least for the first half of the season. In 2006 he's gone and Brunell starts, unless Campbell is actually ready by then. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

08-22-2005, 01:48 PM	#34
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	Re: QB controversey? IMHO Ramsey just needs to get his rhythym going. He's going to surprise everyone. New WR's, different scheme, early days. Would I like to have seen the Skins come out on fire and light everyone up in pre-season? Yes and no. I want them to use the Preseason as a learning phase and be 'en fuego' for 19 games in 2005. That'll really make me happy.

08-22-2005, 01:56 PM	#36
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	Re: QB controversey? PR is the starter now but he wont be by week 4. Gibbs just will not put up with poor decision making and mistakes that PR continues to make in his 4th year in the league. Campbell is the QB of the future and if the season takes an unfortunate turn for the skins then look for Campbell to get lots of playing time so he will be better ready to be the starter next year.

08-22-2005, 02:06 PM	#37
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	Re: QB controversey? I agree that he's had his share of adversity, but if you don't have guts, determination and drive, you don't belong in the NFL in the first place. This is his do or die year and I fully expect him to "do". However, if he just "kinda does" or "kinda doesn't" expect him to be gone next year. It's a contract year and there's a rookie waiting in the wings... __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

08-22-2005, 02:46 PM	#38
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,717	Re: QB controversey? The jury is still out on Ramsey, but the only way to find out if he's got it is to let him develop chemistry with these new WRs, get used to Joe's system, and to get comfortable with the revamped line. If all that occurs, and he still makes the bonehead TOs and misreads, he's gone. Week 8. __________________ Hail from Houston!

08-22-2005, 04:19 PM	#40
BigSKINBauer Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Washington, DC Age: 36 Posts: 5,688	Re: QB controversey? Like already said we haven't even played our 'real' game yet, this is preseason, this is trick play throw deep and see what you can get preseason. not that we have done trick plays or anything but we aren't playing our 'strategy'. Wait for atleast 4 real games before we just throw PR our of DC. Because remember that is what is being proposed by some because once he is out, he is out, no comming back, no drew brees no nothing he is gone and off to another team. Just look at his last REAL games, the games that he played well. We are acting like this is the first time we have seen him, we are judging everything on two preseason games and many were judging him on one. Lets remember we went 3-2 last year at the end and even though Ramsey did throw a game ending INT in philly he played a very good game with over 250 yards, but then again he threw for 190 yards in a HALF during the preseason. I was happy comming into the preseason and had faith in ramsey and no preseason game can break that All i care about is the run, the run that we have hoped would improve. What i saw during the bengals game wasn't Ramsey doing bad, what i saw was ramsey streching the field, he streched the d, he removed 8 from the box, he created room. The DBs were playing off because no one is afraid of ladell just yet. This makes it harder for our friend patrick but there will be the right mix in the season of room and too much playing off, if we call the right plays at the right time there will be no stopping portis from 1700 yards and any team with a D this good and a running game that will get 1700 yards will go to the playoffs, so to act like this is a practice year for the future is giving up on the playoffs, We all know we were capable to make the playoffs last year with that piece of shit we called an offense, i don't think that we are any worse than last year, i don't recall 190 yard halfs, i don't recall 20+ yards per completion ON AVERAGE!! ON AVERAGE 20 yards. I will be at the steelers game and i for one will be cheering ramsey, EXPECIALLY if he throws an INT. Last edited by BigSKINBauer; 08-22-2005 at 04:29 PM.

08-22-2005, 04:32 PM	#41
kingerock Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Killeen, TX Age: 48 Posts: 360	Re: QB controversey? If I can see the same improvement from week to week life i'm seeing now and was seeing at the end of the season, i'm alright with Ramsey. He has a great arm and accuracy and he is showing flares of making the right decisions, but just needs to become a little more consistent. Besides the fact that the real star of the team, Portis, has only touched the ball 4 or 5 times, if that, in the 2 preseason games. Let him take some pressure off and i think it makes it that much easier to have a solid passing game. __________________ Redskins fan lost in Texas for 20 years. Need a ride to D.C.

08-22-2005, 04:35 PM	#42
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	Re: QB controversey? I'll be at the Steelers game as well..!! __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

08-22-2005, 04:40 PM	#43
BigSKINBauer Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Washington, DC Age: 36 Posts: 5,688	Re: QB controversey? very cool now a couple people are going, i am actually hoping to go, looking for tickets, but i'll get some

08-22-2005, 04:54 PM	#44
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	Re: QB controversey? Talk to Daseal, he said something about possibly having some... __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

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