QB controversey?

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[TheMalcolmConnection]

Ramsey played great at the end of the season and is improving game-by-game this preseason.

And again, this is only preseason. Yes, Brunell has been showing he can school 2nd and 3rd stringers. The good I see in him being "back to his old self" is that we have a good backup in case Ramsey goes down.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

:thumb: Ditto for me MC.

It might be a different story if Brunell was going up against the first string defenses and lighting it up.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Same here. Brunell might be a better QB than his performance last season would have you believe, but Ramsey deserves a REAL shot at the starting job.

Virtually everyone was ready to lynch Brunell last season. Now, after a few good performances in preseason games against backups, people are acting like he's Peyton Manning stuck behind Ryan Leaf. Crazy...

[BrudLee]

It's difficult to blame Ramsey when the two preseason games he's played in have almost by design eliminated the running game. Portis has one carry in the preseason, which means defenses don't have to show the same respect for the run they would otherwise.

Now, Ramsey has made some mistakes. He will likely continue to do so. Hopefully, when defenses are showing us 8 in the box, his mistakes will not be capitalized on. He is the best option we have now, by a healthy margin.

[jbcjr14]

Ramsey is still the guy. If he costs us a couple of games early in the season due to his poor decision making, then I think you go to the backup.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by jbcjr14

Ramsey is still the guy. If he costs us a couple of games early in the season due to his poor decision making, then I think you go to the backup.

At the VERY least, I think you've got to give him 6 or 7 games. I'd like to see him in for the entire season.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Also, Ramsey has been making great reads against blitzes (not to mention our o-line has been picking them up without problems).

[Schneed10]

Ramsey, because he showed last year that he can manage the offense well. He has made obvious strides with touch passes down the field. He isn't that accurate with it yet, but last year he just gunned everything. The few deep passes he threw would be lasers that sailed over the WRs head. Now he seems to be putting air under it, dropping the pass down over the CB's head and into the receiver's hands. That's what we need in order to seriously threaten the deep part of the field and keep 8 men out of the box. His accuracy isn't there yet, but I think it will get better with time. Ramsey is definitely not perfect, I think he's going to throw a fair amount of interceptions unless Gibbs starts calling the game more conservatively. But he knows how to manage the game and make some plays.

If it were Brunell starting though, I wouldn't be upset at all. I don't see much of a dropoff, if any, between the two of them. I think Brunell's miserable performance last year was mainly due to horrendous offensive line play and a lack of separation from the WRs. I think his elbow may have been bothering him too. His arm looks healthy, and the O-Line would give him the time he needs to play well. Brunell has always been able to throw a nice touch-pass deep downfield. Plus the players seem to respond to him.

I feel relatively fine with either one of them. But I'll take Ramsey because of how he did at the end of last year. We just have to be ready to deal with some INTs. I have a feeling he's going to be frustrating for us.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Gibbs start calling the game more conservatively?! Urgh, not something I want to see!

I will say this... I think that while it doesn't count, they're telling Ramsey to "let-er-rip" and see how he does. I'm sure if these games counted, they'd be running more to set up the pass so that once they stack the box, Ramsey can hit some easy quick slants to Moss or Patten and they'd be gone.

[Redskins_P]

Ramsey! I think he deserves more time to develop a chemistry with his NEW receivers, and the changes in the offense. Yes, he's made some bad decisions, but it's the preseason and hopefully he'll learn from all his mistakes. Lets not forget that Portis has barely played (1 carry in 2 preseason games), and Ramsey can benefit from a solid running game. Less pressure on Ramsey will make him more and more comfortable.

Brunell has looked good against the 2nd and 3rd stringers. He seems to have regained that mobility he always had, but never showed it last year because of his hamstring injury. I think we ourselves a great backup in Brunell, and if Ramsey were to fall to an injury (lets hope he doesn't!!!), I think Brunell can come in and win us some games.

[SKINSnCANES]

Ramsey and Brunell are both very inconsistent and I do not want either to be my starting QB.

Ramsey isnt hitting open guys, he has extremely happy feet, and on third and longs he looks short first. Brunell is the same Brunell that he was last year. He is making some very nice throws and making plays, but the first preseason game he did the same crap. Under pressue he would roll out and then throw it soaring over a receivers head or just throw it away. He doesnt make plays when you need them.

I was very upset that Campbell didnt play the last game. Clearly, hes not going to be our starter, but I dont expect us to have many wins (because of our offense) with either of those two QBs. If one of them steps up, I think at best they just dont make us lose, but they dotn do things to make us win.

[Schneed10]

That said, Brunell would probably be a little frustrating too. He looks good now in preseason against scrubs, but I'd be kidding myself if I said that he looks like he's back to his prime form from his Jacksonville days. I don't think he's the same player as he was then, can't scramble as well and there are some throws he can't make any more. But he could manage the game just about as effectively as Ramsey in my opinion.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Gibbs start calling the game more conservatively?! Urgh, not something I want to see!

I will say this... I think that while it doesn't count, they're telling Ramsey to "let-er-rip" and see how he does. I'm sure if these games counted, they'd be running more to set up the pass so that once they stack the box, Ramsey can hit some easy quick slants to Moss or Patten and they'd be gone.

I don't want to see Gibbs go as conservative as last year, but I definitely don't want to see him cutting Ramsey loose like he is in the preseason. Did you know the Redskins rank 2nd in the NFL in pass yards per game so far in the preseason? Philly is first.

That's abnormal for a Joe Gibbs team. I think he's just calling pass after pass because he's just trying to assess what works. He's probably trying to figure out which plays work and which don't. When the regular season comes, I think he'll call running plays about as often as he did last year. The only thing is he'll pick his spots to go deep this year, and he'll probably choose to use the plays that he sees working here in the preseason.

I think he's using the preseason as a guinea pig of sorts, a test-run of the passing game. But he'll end up using his normal offensive style. All Clinton Portis, all the time, but with just a few deep passes mixed in. Which makes sense. After all, Clinton is our best offensive player. I maintain that the deep passing game is there primarily to give Portis room to run and take over games.

[irish]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

Ramsey and Brunell are both very inconsistent and I do not want either to be my starting QB.

Ramsey isnt hitting open guys, he has extremely happy feet, and on third and longs he looks short first. Brunell is the same Brunell that he was last year. He is making some very nice throws and making plays, but the first preseason game he did the same crap. Under pressue he would roll out and then throw it soaring over a receivers head or just throw it away. He doesnt make plays when you need them.

I was very upset that Campbell didnt play the last game. Clearly, hes not going to be our starter, but I dont expect us to have many wins (because of our offense) with either of those two QBs. If one of them steps up, I think at best they just dont make us lose, but they dotn do things to make us win.

Skins, I could not have said it better myself. The best we can hope for with these QBs is that they dont lose games because they wont do anything to help the team win.