RG3 and Gruden?

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[Rotten1980]

I'll take Chip Kelly's and Jerry Jones' word over Gruden's any day of the week, and twice on Sunday, and so will the rest of the pro football world. It doesn't mean they'll overreach to acquire him, mostly because the dumpster fire coaching staff in DC has done everything in its power to diminish RG's value. Right now legit HC and FO's around the league are watching with interest to see if Redskins Park is stupid enough to follow a historically bad HC into the abyss, jettisoning a talented young QB who hasn't even had the benefit of QB coach in his 3rd season for fuck sakes.

Perspective is paramount here. Gruden is the guy who was given every opportunity in Cincy, elite defense backing him up, way above average talent on offense. But he always found a way to blow it, usually by getting cute and forcing the passing game when the run had been the key to success. Meanwhile Kelly and Jones & Co are vying for the division title.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

I'll take Chip Kelly's and Jerry Jones' word over Gruden's any day of the week, and twice on Sunday, and so will the rest of the pro football world. It doesn't mean they'll overreach to acquire him, mostly because the dumpster fire coaching staff in DC has done everything in its power to diminish RG's value. Right now legit HC and FO's around the league are watching with interest to see if Redskins Park is stupid enough to follow a historically bad HC into the abyss, jettisoning a talented young QB who hasn't even had the benefit of QB coach in his 3rd season for fuck sakes.

Perspective is paramount here. Gruden is the guy who was given every opportunity in Cincy, elite defense backing him up, way above average talent on offense. But he always found a way to blow it, usually by getting cute and forcing the passing game when the run had been the key to success. Meanwhile Kelly and Jones & Co are vying for the division title.

I think you are choosing points to fit your narrative while ignoring those that don't. The Bengals won their division in 2012 and 2013 so it is not like Gruden hasn't had success with his offense. The AFC North is also a more challenging division to win than our NFC East. Dalton progressed every season from year one to year three improving his numbers. His numbers have dropped this year.

Kelly and the Eagles won the division last year, but lost to a notoriously bad road playoff team in New Orleans. Dallass has been very good this year and it appears that Jones has been much more patient with this team and coaching staff than he has with teams in the past so we shall see how that plays out.

I am not 100% sold that Gruden is the man, but I am willing to give him one more year.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

I'll take Chip Kelly's and Jerry Jones' word over Gruden's any day of the week, and twice on Sunday, and so will the rest of the pro football world. It doesn't mean they'll overreach to acquire him, mostly because the dumpster fire coaching staff in DC has done everything in its power to diminish RG's value. Right now legit HC and FO's around the league are watching with interest to see if Redskins Park is stupid enough to follow a historically bad HC into the abyss, jettisoning a talented young QB who hasn't even had the benefit of QB coach in his 3rd season for fuck sakes.

Perspective is paramount here. Gruden is the guy who was given every opportunity in Cincy, elite defense backing him up, way above average talent on offense. But he always found a way to blow it, usually by getting cute and forcing the passing game when the run had been the key to success. Meanwhile Kelly and Jones & Co are vying for the division title.

So stop ducking the question. Since all the NFL people know the blame lies with the coaching staff we should get good trade offers.

After the season, what is his trade value? One, two, three first round picks?

What is your number?

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

So stop ducking the question. Since all the NFL people know the blame lies with the coaching staff we should get good trade offers.

After the season, what is his trade value? One, two, three first round picks?

What is your number?

Sorry man I didn't see you ask this earlier. Agree his trade value is very low, which is a shame and part of the point I made. But it shouldn't be a question even, trading him will be an even bigger mistake than hiring Gruden.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Sorry man I didn't see you ask this earlier. Agree his trade value is very low, which is a shame and part of the point I made. But it shouldn't be a question even, trading him will be an even bigger mistake than hiring Gruden.

BTW, I have not heard....one....not one person with a job in the field...or like a professional NFL....er recommend or condone the firing of Gruden. Additionally, Most have stated flatly, it would be catastrophic.
I find it......comical that you do
Oh well, HTTR......

[Meks]

^^^^ Andy Dalton blew it in Cinci, Gruden can't throw the passes or read the defenses for these guys, get your head outta the clouds.

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by Meks

^^^^ Andy Dalton blew it in Cinci, Gruden can't throw the passes or read the defenses for these guys, get your head outta the clouds.

If you have inside information Dalton called his own plays, or even worse changed the plays called, the football world deserves to see it. Cincy dominated the first half running the football and controlling the clock. They came out the 2nd half with a lead and totally gave up on the run, inexplicably. Football analysts discussed this widely. The same pattern of Grudens offense has been discussed.

Do you know something those guys don't? Or just making stuff up?

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

If you have inside information Dalton called his own plays, or even worse changed the plays called, the football world deserves to see it. Cincy dominated the first half running the football and controlling the clock. They came out the 2nd half with a lead and totally gave up on the run, inexplicably. Football analysts discussed this widely. The same pattern of Grudens offense has been discussed.

Do you know something those guys don't? Or just making stuff up?

Actually. Dalton was given the option of 3 plays at the line and change to his will. It was something Gruden had but hasn't installed here for obvious reasons.

You taking the praises of a few people just smiling for the media is what is wrong with some of the fair weather fans around here

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by Bucket

Actually. Dalton was given the option of 3 plays at the line and change to his will. It was something Gruden had but hasn't installed here for obvious reasons.

You taking the praises of a few people just smiling for the media is what is wrong with some of the fair weather fans around here

Never heard Dalton had 3 play option, meaning he chose to give up on the run in the 2nd half. Link?

[SFREDSKIN]

Gruden had a nice game plan today for RGIII, it was conservative but it worked. This is the Best RGIII has looked in a long, long time.

[mredskins]

Funny how quiet this place is after a win. I am pretty happy. Beat one of the teams I hate the most and our franchise QB got some of his MOJO back.

[sevier2]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Funny how quiet this place is after a win. I am pretty happy. Beat one of the teams I hate the most and our franchise QB got some of his MOJO back.

Funny how avatars change back after a win

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Originally Posted by sevier2

Funny how avatars change back after a win

Lol

[DynamiteRave]

DJax is beast. I wish he'd be more effective on other routes besides Go routes, but the dude is legit. I hope to see him in a Skins uniform for a long time.

Much more effective with RG3 in there than any other QB.