Redskins Add WRs Pierre Garcon and Joshua Morgan

[vallin21]

Ted Ginn Jr?... If Royal doesn't sign

Royal 2011: 19 rec 155 yds 1 td 8.6 ypc
Ginn 2011: 19 rec 220 yds 11.6 ypc

Royal and Ginn Jr had the same amount of receptions; but Ginn was able to gain close to 12 yds per catch, and was also a better Punt Returner:
(38 Returns, 466 yds, 12.3 average, 1 TD, 9 20+ yrd returns, and 3 returns over 40 yds.) Compared to Royal's (12 Ret, 194 yds, 16.2, 1TD, only 20+ yrd returns and just 1 return over 40.)

2011 KR's

Ginn: 29 Ret, 800 yds, 27.6 avg, 102T, 1 TD

Royal : 3 Returns, 47 yds, 15.7 avg, longest return just 20 yds, 0 TD's


Conclusion: Though Shanahan may like Royal because he was a Shanahan pick, Royal is inconsistent, and not the "best" "return, slot specialist" people are making him out to be. Compared to Royal, Ginn has been statistically better in almost every WR and return category, and what stood out about Ginn was his KR avg of 27.5 yds in 2011, where kicks moved up 5 yds, equating to more touchbacks. If we should sign another WR, it should be Ginn not Royal.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by vallin21

Ted Ginn Jr?... If Royal doesn't sign

Royal 2011: 19 rec 155 yds 1 td 8.6 ypc
Ginn 2011: 19 rec 220 yds 11.6 ypc

Royal and Ginn Jr had the same amount of receptions; but Ginn was able to gain close to 12 yds per catch, and was also a better Punt Returner:
(38 Returns, 466 yds, 12.3 average, 1 TD, 9 20+ yrd returns, and 3 returns over 40 yds.) Compared to Royal's (12 Ret, 194 yds, 16.2, 1TD, only 20+ yrd returns and just 1 return over 40.)

2011 KR's

Ginn: 29 Ret, 800 yds, 27.6 avg, 102T, 1 TD

Royal : 3 Returns, 47 yds, 15.7 avg, longest return just 20 yds, 0 TD's


Conclusion: Though Shanahan may like Royal because he was a Shanahan pick, Royal is inconsistent, and not the "best" "return, slot specialist" people are making him out to be. Compared to Royal, Ginn has been statistically better in almost every WR and return category, and what stood out about Ginn was his KR avg of 27.5 yds in 2011, where kicks moved up 5 yds, equating to more touchbacks. If we should sign another WR, it should be Ginn not Royal.

Fact is royal still had 91 catches for 980 yards as a rookie for Shanny. ginn has ever come close to that

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Fact is royal still had 91 catches for 980 yards as a rookie for Shanny. ginn has ever come close to that

Isn't Cutler openly campaigning for Royal?

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Isn't Cutler openly campaigning for Royal?

Yes but he'd be competing with Hester, Knox, Bennet, Sanzanbacher, Roy Williams (he'll be cut), and of course BMarshall

[ethat001]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Yes but he'd be competing with Hester, Knox, Bennet, Sanzanbacher, Roy Williams (he'll be cut), and of course BMarshall

And with the Redskins he'd be competing against Garcon, Morgan, Gaffney, Moss, Stallworth, Hankerson, N.Paul, Armstrong, .. Of course, he'd be closer to the top half of this list.

Does anyone know how we're doing this within the cap?? Just seems so mysterious we can get these deals done. Always wonder whether in addition to the cap money, the Redskin players get free access to Snyder's jet, dates with the cheerleaders... We're supposed to be running out of money, but are thinking about Grubbs, an LG, still need an RT, MLB/Fletcher, safety if Landry leaves, ?cornerback -- how do we do all this with negative cap money.. Guess we'll get some back if/when we drop Landry/Moss/etc..

[vallin21]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Fact is royal still had 91 catches for 980 yards as a rookie for Shanny. ginn has ever come close to that

Yes, but neither has Royal since 2008... Not saying he's a bad player because he did have that 1 great '08 rookie year, but IMO he's not a better return specialist, and he's not the playmaker Ginn is after he catches the ball... Who's to say Ginn wouldn't have the same or better production than Royal? You could also say Shanahan's scheme/system is why Royal had that great rookie yr.

[Hog1]

I saw that....Jonesin a bit are ya'?

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by vallin21

Yes, but neither has Royal since 2008... Not saying he's a bad player because he did have that 1 great '08 rookie year, but IMO he's not a better return specialist, and he's not the playmaker Ginn is after he catches the ball... Who's to say Ginn wouldn't have the same or better production than Royal? You could also say Shanahan's scheme/system is why Royal had that great rookie yr.

To be fair to Royal, he has had Tebow throwing him the ball the last 2 years. I would prefer him to Ginn, who is just a returner to me.

[vallin21]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

To be fair to Royal, he has had Tebow throwing him the ball the last 2 years. I would prefer him to Ginn, who is just a returner to me.

Very true... He will kill any WR's stats, value, and production... didn't take that into account

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by ethat001

And with the Redskins he'd be competing against Garcon, Morgan, Gaffney, Moss, Stallworth, Hankerson, N.Paul, Armstrong, .. Of course, he'd be closer to the top half of this list.



Does anyone know how we're doing this within the cap?? Just seems so mysterious we can get these deals done. Always wonder whether in addition to the cap money, the Redskin players get free access to Snyder's jet, dates with the cheerleaders... We're supposed to be running out of money, but are thinking about Grubbs, an LG, still need an RT, MLB/Fletcher, safety if Landry leaves, ?cornerback -- how do we do all this with negative cap money.. Guess we'll get some back if/when we drop Landry/Moss/etc..

Stallworth-Gone, Gaffney-Probably Gone, Moss-Could be gone

Garcon/Hankerson/Morgan/Royal/Paul/Robinson could be our opening day WRs.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Stallworth-Gone, Gaffney-Probably Gone, Moss-Could be gone

Garcon/Hankerson/Morgan/Royal/Paul/Robinson could be our opening day WRs.

I'm starting to think royal won't sign, also don't rule out lloyd as a possibility

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I'm starting to think royal won't sign, also don't rule out lloyd as a possibility

Which Lloyd? Not Brandon Lloyd...?

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Which Lloyd? Not Brandon Lloyd...?

I heard it on ESPN radio earlier that he's a possibly but I haven't seen SS report it

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I'm starting to think royal won't sign, also don't rule out lloyd as a possibility

Don't say that to me.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by ethat001

And with the Redskins he'd be competing against Garcon, Morgan, Gaffney, Moss, Stallworth, Hankerson, N.Paul, Armstrong, .. Of course, he'd be closer to the top half of this list.

Does anyone know how we're doing this within the cap?? Just seems so mysterious we can get these deals done. Always wonder whether in addition to the cap money, the Redskin players get free access to Snyder's jet, dates with the cheerleaders... We're supposed to be running out of money, but are thinking about Grubbs, an LG, still need an RT, MLB/Fletcher, safety if Landry leaves, ?cornerback -- how do we do all this with negative cap money.. Guess we'll get some back if/when we drop Landry/Moss/etc..

Negative cap money?

We had $18.5 of room coming into free agency.


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