The State of the Redskins (MERGED)

[MTK]

Originally Posted by rstone1979

redskin for life?? That is a phrase this organization lost when Darrell Green retired

Free agency and the cap changed that my friend.

There's no such thing as a Patriot for life, or a Eagle for life, etc., anymore.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Free agency and the cap changed that my friend.

There's no such thing as a Patriot for life, or a Eagle for life, etc., anymore.

Hey, Chris Samuels proclaimed himself "Redskin for life, Baby!" when he signed his contract extension.

[jdlea]

Signing Archuleta to this team was a mistake. We all bash Roy Williams cause he can't cover then we got out and sign a worse version of Williams. I don't think Archuleta could cover me.

Another thing, Clark fell outta favor with a lot of the fans because LT stiff armed him to the ground on the game winning TD run last season. You know what the difference would be if it were Archuleta? He'd be too damn slow to be in the play! Hell, LT crushed Joey Porter with a stiff arm last night, I don't think it's too embarassing to have one of the best RBs in the game hit you with a stiff arm.

[CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR]

wow its amazing how everyone's attitude has changed. when i express the same thoughts in april and through the first couple of weeks i was called a closet cowboy fan or traitor. see the differences between the redskins and the other teams that when like the philly,pats,carolina,balt,sea, etc is they use the draft to improve their team,instead of spending millions over millions of dollars on fa.we spend 10 million here and there for anyone who looks prettier in their uniform. lloyd,randle el,carter,the great white dope number 40,the list could go on and on. we always win the super bowl every march and april, it would be nice to win it in feb sometime. we all get excited and fooled evert offseason by this owner and front office its the joke of the nfl. never have any draft picks ever.just trade them away like it means nothing. look how dallas,phily are being built every year draft and draft.we have the worst qb in the divinsion and we gave a third round pick for him when he was going to be released. let smoot go and pay rogers about 10 mill siging bonus but we cant pay smoot. so we draft roger and pass on merrirman. let ryan clark to another great move by ol danny and vinny and gilbbs. the skins will win next week and everyone one will say were BACK GOING TO PLAYOFFS MARK BRUNELLS BACK THROWING SCREENS. Loved his overthrow of portis wide open by 10 yards thank god peirce couldnt catch it. we should didnt need peirce either we have marshall and holdman, is rocky every going to play since we trading extra picks like we always do, not just on special teams maybe could he start on defense. hail to the skins

[hail_2_da_skins]

Originally Posted by CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR

wow its amazing how everyone's attitude has changed. when i express the same thoughts in april and through the first couple of weeks i was called a closet cowboy fan or traitor. see the differences between the redskins and the other teams that when like the philly,pats,carolina,balt,sea, etc is they use the draft to improve their team,instead of spending millions over millions of dollars on fa.we spend 10 million here and there for anyone who looks prettier in their uniform. lloyd,randle el,carter,the great white dope number 40,the list could go on and on. we always win the super bowl every march and april, it would be nice to win it in feb sometime. we all get excited and fooled evert offseason by this owner and front office its the joke of the nfl. never have any draft picks ever.just trade them away like it means nothing. look how dallas,phily are being built every year draft and draft.we have the worst qb in the divinsion and we gave a third round pick for him when he was going to be released. let smoot go and pay rogers about 10 mill siging bonus but we cant pay smoot. so we draft roger and pass on merrirman. let ryan clark to another great move by ol danny and vinny and gilbbs. the skins will win next week and everyone one will say were BACK GOING TO PLAYOFFS MARK BRUNELLS BACK THROWING SCREENS. Loved his overthrow of portis wide open by 10 yards thank god peirce couldnt catch it. we should didnt need peirce either we have marshall and holdman, is rocky every going to play since we trading extra picks like we always do, not just on special teams maybe could he start on defense. hail to the skins

I'm with you all the way. I've questioned these offseason moves every year but somehow the Skins have managed to be competitive despite watering down the talent. It is finally starting to show. The defensive system is not that great when you don't have the talent to play it. Williams reputation as a defensive guru I think hurts the personnel selection. Its a feeling that anyone can excell in this defense and that isn't so. The secondary stinks, the defensive line can't generate pressure and the linebackers miss too many tackles. But worst than the defense, is the worse Redskin quarterback since Billy Kilmer (okay maybe Heath Shuler). At least Billy Kilmer could wooble the ball 20 yards down the field. Mark Brunnel is horrible. He can't or will not throw the ball downfield. I don't give a crap about risking turnovers, at least keep the other team honest by attempting to throw downfield. I am so tired of looking at dinks and dunks. You have speedteers in Moss, Randle-El, Lloyd and Patten (oops...some idiot decided to sit him and play slow-footed Trash) and your quarterback can't throw the ball 15 yards. God...they reak! It's going to be a long season.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

even if you forget about the good/great players we let walk, there is still good evidence that the FO has failed us. Just look at the players we overpay: AA, Brunell, Carter, Patten, Springs, etc.

the jury is still out on some of these guys, but the underlying theme is that we overpay for old players and/or players who haven't lived up to their potential. sometimes this works, but the odds are against you whenever this strategy is employed.

[DaveyFoSho]

WOW you guys are crappy fans....it was a 19-3 loss...granted our offense sucked but atleast our redline D shut them down for the most part...look at the bright side!!! When we steamroll the Titans next week and beat the Colts at home what will you guys say?? AA wow what a great pick blah blah blah... IM FUCKING TIRED of people praising the office when we win but then saying they make HUGE mistakes when we lose. Its the same group of guys W or L!!!!!!!! They are there we are here they must know something we don't!!!!! They have made mistakes but ultimately they do what is best for the team. HAVE FAITH!!!!

[rstone1979]

Originally Posted by DaveyFoSho

WOW you guys are crappy fans....it was a 19-3 loss...granted our offense sucked but atleast our redline D shut them down for the most part...look at the bright side!!! When we steamroll the Titans next week and beat the Colts at home what will you guys say?? AA wow what a great pick blah blah blah... IM FUCKING TIRED of people praising the office when we win but then saying they make HUGE mistakes when we lose. Its the same group of guys W or L!!!!!!!! They are there we are here they must know something we don't!!!!! They have made mistakes but ultimately they do what is best for the team. HAVE FAITH!!!!

Better they make these mistakes now than in December. This loss hurt me 100 times worse though because my girlfriend is a Giants fan and i still have yet to hear the end of it

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by DaveyFoSho

WOW you guys are crappy fans....it was a 19-3 loss...granted our offense sucked but atleast our redline D shut them down for the most part...look at the bright side!!! When we steamroll the Titans next week and beat the Colts at home what will you guys say?? AA wow what a great pick blah blah blah... IM FUCKING TIRED of people praising the office when we win but then saying they make HUGE mistakes when we lose. Its the same group of guys W or L!!!!!!!! They are there we are here they must know something we don't!!!!! They have made mistakes but ultimately they do what is best for the team. HAVE FAITH!!!!

No, Archuleta sucked even when he was sacking Leftwich last week...why? Cause that's all he's good for. He sucked when the Skins signed him. He sucked in St. Louis. He can't cover. Period. He can hit, if he ever gets a shot on you. That's my only complaint, I'm tired of rehashing everyone they got rid of. And NO I don't sing their praises for bringing in overpriced free agents...ever. I liked the Portis deal, I was cool with the Moss deal, but I didn't think it would work as well as it has, I hated when they got Brunell and I like them adding Carter, Lloyd and Randle El. If having an opinion about the moves the team makes makes me a bad fan then I'm guilty as charged. But I'd rather be a bad fan than a sheep who does nothing but praise everything they do.

[DaveyFoSho]

If the Ravens win tonight i will never hear the end of it either but o well man suck it up! We live to fight another day!

[CrazyCanuck]

I can't understand why people still insist on blaming the front office for the acquisitions of the last couple years.

When Coach Gibbs returned it became HIS team. Do you really think Gibbs has been overruled on even ONE decision since he got here? Same goes for GW. This is HIS defense. I'm quite sure Clark, Arch, Carter, etc. were all his decisions. All the front office did was do everything they could from a financial standpoint to get these guys signed up.

I'm not saying we haven't made some bad moves in the last couple years. You guys can debate them to death if you want. But please put the blame or the credit where it belongs - on the coaching staff.

The last bad move I can attribute to the front office was breaking the bank for Lavar instead of Champ. Of course it was a pretty bad move...

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

I can't understand why people still insist on blaming the front office for the acquisitions of the last couple years.

When Coach Gibbs returned it became HIS team. Do you really think Gibbs has been overruled on even ONE decision since he got here? Same goes for GW. This is HIS defense. I'm quite sure Clark, Arch, Carter, etc. were all his decisions. All the front office did was do everything they could from a financial standpoint to get these guys signed up.

I'm not saying we haven't made some bad moves in the last couple years. You guys can debate them to death if you want. But please put the blame or the credit where it belongs - on the coaching staff.

The last bad move I can attribute to the front office was breaking the bank for Lavar instead of Champ. Of course it was a pretty bad move...

do you honestly think he has time to personally scout every player they sign (or that he's even good at that, since it's not really his job)?

he has to delegate, he already overhauled the scouting dept. once, but i'm pretty sure vinny and that FO still have a lot of say, simply because he doesn't have time to go over 800 college players and 200-400 FAs every year.

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by That Guy

do you honestly think he has time to personally scout every player they sign (or that he's even good at that, since it's not really his job)?

he has to delegate, he already overhauled the scouting dept. once, but i'm pretty sure vinny and that FO still have a lot of say, simply because he doesn't have time to go over 800 college players and 200-400 FAs every year.

For me I have never been a Vinny fan so let him go. What he help do to the 49ers well he should be shot! What is wrong with this team is not just one thing. Maybe free agents do get FAT and Happy! You get all that green and are not hungy. One thing for sure something is really wrong!

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by That Guy

do you honestly think he has time to personally scout every player they sign (or that he's even good at that, since it's not really his job)?

he has to delegate, he already overhauled the scouting dept. once, but i'm pretty sure vinny and that FO still have a lot of say, simply because he doesn't have time to go over 800 college players and 200-400 FAs every year.

I'm not saying that Gibbs and GW personally scout every player or that Vinny and co. have no say in the process.

But the chain of command is clearly defined on this team and when it comes to personnel decisions I'm quite sure Danny and Vinny are a few rungs down on the ladder.

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by DaveyFoSho

If the Ravens win tonight i will never hear the end of it either but o well man suck it up! We live to fight another day!

I Would say your right about that other day but it may be in 08 because we have trade almost all of 07 draft away! But I hope that it is always darkest before the dawn.....It's pretty dark right now! Giants 19-3