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[Daseal]

Matty, a common misconception when people ask for a QB to be pulled is that it's because of the previous game. Brunell has been suspect going on 3 seasons now. He plays well in stretches (last season he played solid for a decent part of the season.) The first year was abysmal, and this year is heading that way without the abiration known as the Jags game.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Matty, a common misconception when people ask for a QB to be pulled is that it's because of the previous game. Brunell has been suspect going on 3 seasons now. He plays well in stretches (last season he played solid for a decent part of the season.) The first year was abysmal, and this year is heading that way without the abiration known as the Jags game.

In 2005 Brunell was 14th in total yards, 13th in passer rating, 9th in total touchdowns, 11th in interceptions thrown

In 2004 Brunell only played nine games so you can't really assess his play fairly being thrown to the wolves in a new offense (for him) in the middle of the season.

Since 1995 he's had a passer rating every year between 82-92.

Everybody complains that all he does is dink and dunk, but if you compare his yards per pass attempt since he's been in the league (6.95) to peyton manning since he's been in the league (7.65), I guess Manning needs to go down the field more often and take chances too.

Let's get off the Brunell bashing...PLEASE!!!

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Since 1995 he's had a passer rating every year between 82-92.

Everybody complains that all he does is dink and dunk, but if you compare his yards per pass attempt since he's been in the league (6.95) to peyton manning since he's been in the league (7.65), I guess Manning needs to go down the field more often and take chances too.

ancient stats don't apply here, and how many of those passing yards here were dinks and dunks turned into big gains by Moss and Cooley?

come on, this is the QB position we're talking about. when a team struggles, it's PART OF THE JOB to try and singlehandedly become the team's savior. it may not be fair to expect it, but its fair to wish for it.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by illdefined

and how many of those passing yards here were dinks and dunks turned into big gains by Moss and Cooley?

In that case we should be discrediting Joe Montana and Steve Young. All they did was dink and dunk and let Rice and company do all the work.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

In that case we should be discrediting Joe Montana and Steve Young. All they did was dink and dunk and let Rice and company do all the work.

ouch another comparison to Montana? come on, i remember way too many Rice TD catches OVER HIS SHOULDER.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by illdefined

come on, this is the QB position we're talking about. when a team struggles, it's PART OF THE JOB to try and singlehandedly become the team's savior. it may not be fair to expect it, but its fair to wish for it.

No one can single handedly be the team's savior, that is why they line up eleven on each side of the ball. Wish in one hand, shit in the other and see which one gets filled.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

No one can single handedly be the team's savior, that is why they line up eleven on each side of the ball. Wish in one hand, shit in the other and see which one gets filled.

sounds er, poetic. but there are plenty of teams that are effectively one or two people. see Philly w/o McNabb or Westbrook for ex. or the redskins w/o Portis etc etc.

[illdefined]

I don't expect Brunell to suddenly get younger legs, or become Peyton Manning. all i can ask of Brunell right now is too look over the MIDDLE somemore, especially when a game is on the line. don't you all agree?

even the most grizzled veterans have bad habits: Beldsoe, waits too long. Favre, forces it. etc. etc. Brunell is no different, and was clearly illustrated to be his penchant for throwing to the sidelines (in the valid attempt to avoid INTs). and this is throughout his career, not just since becoming a Skin.

well, it's made him easy to gameplan against, especially since the commonplace Cover-2 is tailormade for limiting outside passes to a tiny intermediate window (see Jax).

i know we don't have a possession receiver, and while Cooley kind of fits that role, its also only for intermediate throws. Brunell DOESN'T LIKE to throw deep except near the sidelines. Moss blowing past the MIDDLE of the Quarter defense of Dallas was SO unexpected, that they didn't CHANGE THE COVERAGE and allowed a 2nd TD!

is it wrong to ask for Brunell try more risky throws (incl. over the middle)when the game is on the line?

[MTK]

Funny, whenever he plays well as he did against Houston and the Jags, that gets conveniently brushed aside.

[illdefined]

If i remember correctly, a lot of people still weren't happy with Brunell's dink/dunking in the Texans win. and the Jacksonville game was also notable because of it's YAC, not its bombs.

it's that one dimension lacking in Brunell's game that is constant and makes it easier for a team like the Giants, with it's terrible secondary, to gameplan for and stop.

using the entire recieving corps, and the WHOLE field, would greatly improve every aspect of this offense.

maybe the root cause for this is Brunell doesn't feel confident in his arm to safely overthrow/lead these routes without big risk of interception.

[MTK]

My simple point was we shouldn't discredit Brunell for getting the ball into the hands of his playmakers no matter how far the ball travels through the air.

I see it far too often around here. Brunell gets bashed to death when things go wrong, and when things go well it's a very reluctant praise from some people, if any at all.

People are ridiculously biased towards the guy and I don't get it. Isn't he a Redskin? Isn't he our QB? I'm not saying he doesn't have his faults or he should be beyond criticism but damn, I just don't get where all the animosity and bias towards him comes from.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

My simple point was we shouldn't discredit Brunell for getting the ball into the hands of his playmakers no matter how far the ball travels through the air.

I see it far too often around here. Brunell gets bashed to death when things go wrong, and when things go well it's a very reluctant praise from some people, if any at all.

People are ridiculously biased towards the guy and I don't get it. Isn't he a Redskin? Isn't he our QB? I'm not saying he doesn't have his faults or he should be beyond criticism but damn, I just don't get where all the animosity and bias towards him comes from.

well the problem last game was he couldn't get it in the hands of his playmakers enough. offensive line woes and the right defensive schemes attributed to all that, and those are based around his limits.

Brunell is a huge target simply because everyone knows his limits and know they're just getting bigger and bigger as each game rolls on. he's a QB in plain decline and doesn't represent the future of the franchise, so he's easy to scapegoat. he's 'in the way' of the hope that Jason Campbell represents, whose limitations aren't well known by everybody in the league already.

JC will obviously have his limits too, but in his case his youth at least allows for the potential to get better. Brunell on the other hand represents a dead end.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by illdefined

well the problem last game was he couldn't get it in the hands of his playmakers enough. offensive line woes and the right defensive schemes attributed to all that, and those are based around his limits.

Brunell is a huge target simply because everyone knows his limits and know they're just getting bigger and bigger as each game rolls on. he's a QB in plain decline and doesn't represent the future of the franchise, so he's easy to scapegoat. he's 'in the way' of the hope that Jason Campbell represents, whose limitations aren't well known by everybody in the league already.

JC will obviously have his limits too, but in his case his youth at least allows for the potential to get better. Brunell on the other hand represents a dead end.

I'll be really curious to see how patient people are with Campbell.

The unknown is always very appealing simply because it's not yet tainted.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'll be really curious to see how patient people are with Campbell.

The unknown is always very appealing simply because it's not yet tainted.

you said it.

but youth is such a powerful thing though, remember how much patience a lot of us had with Ramsey just because he was relatively young and had the 'potential' to overcome his problems. in contrast, we're just squeezing the very last drops out of Brunell and there's not a lot of hope represented in that.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'll be really curious to see how patient people are with Campbell.

The unknown is always very appealing simply because it's not yet tainted.

they'd be more patient, because campbell can get better, while brunell can only get worse. plus there's a lot of case study on how the first 16 games or so for a QB can be thrown away as a learning curve.