Are We Being Too Hard on Brandon Lloyd?

[That Guy]

lloyd's just not that good.

[DirteePosse]

I believe B Lloyd will show up this season. He's a great receiver when thrown to. The receiving corps are looking great and healthy. Keep up the support. To answer the question, all players/entertainers deserved to be ridiculed when they aren't playing up to their pay level.

[Schneed10]

We're getting way too caught up in this argument over Lloyd's effort on the end zone interception. To me, that's just a small piece of the puzzle.

The bottom line, the guy had one catch for five yards on Sunday. This after last year doing jack squat last year. Randle El struggled last year, and was brought into this offense at the same time as Lloyd, but he seemed to have caught on just fine on Sunday, putting up 5 catches for 108 yards (if you remove the flukey hail mary). What's Lloyd's excuse?

And Daseal, don't give me this crap about him not getting looks. The reason Randle El got the looks is because he ran very precise routes, and JC had confidence he'd be where he was supposed to be. 90% of a WRs job is getting open, making the catch is only 10% of the work. Lloyd just doesn't get open because he doesn't work hard enough to master the playbook, he could care less about learning the intracacies of route-running because all he wants to do is burn dudes deep.

I mean at what point can we just call a spade a spade. If it quacks, it's a duck. Not a hen, not a rooster, not a swan... it's a friggin duck people. Same damn thing happened with Ramsey, and it's happening with Lloyd. People see flashes every now and then, so they think if we just give him more looks, or if we just give him a chance, he'll be OK. No. He sucks. It's not that hard to make the judgment. He's a piece of shit because of his poor work ethic, and it's not going to get markedly better. Book it.

[budw38]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

We're getting way too caught up in this argument over Lloyd's effort on the end zone interception. To me, that's just a small piece of the puzzle.

The bottom line, the guy had one catch for five yards on Sunday. This after last year doing jack squat last year. Randle El struggled last year, and was brought into this offense at the same time as Lloyd, but he seemed to have caught on just fine on Sunday, putting up 5 catches for 108 yards (if you remove the flukey hail mary). What's Lloyd's excuse?

And Daseal, don't give me this crap about him not getting looks. The reason Randle El got the looks is because he ran very precise routes, and JC had confidence he'd be where he was supposed to be. 90% of a WRs job is getting open, making the catch is only 10% of the work. Lloyd just doesn't get open because he doesn't work hard enough to master the playbook, he could care less about learning the intracacies of route-running because all he wants to do is burn dudes deep.

I mean at what point can we just call a spade a spade. If it quacks, it's a duck. Not a hen, not a rooster, not a swan... it's a friggin duck people. Same damn thing happened with Ramsey, and it's happening with Lloyd. People see flashes every now and then, so they think if we just give him more looks, or if we just give him a chance, he'll be OK. No. He sucks. It's not that hard to make the judgment. He's a piece of shit because of his poor work ethic, and it's not going to get markedly better. Book it.

I love they way you word that ! If he were getting open JC would throw him the ball

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

We're getting way too caught up in this argument over Lloyd's effort on the end zone interception. To me, that's just a small piece of the puzzle.

The bottom line, the guy had one catch for five yards on Sunday. This after last year doing jack squat last year. Randle El struggled last year, and was brought into this offense at the same time as Lloyd, but he seemed to have caught on just fine on Sunday, putting up 5 catches for 108 yards (if you remove the flukey hail mary). What's Lloyd's excuse?

And Daseal, don't give me this crap about him not getting looks. The reason Randle El got the looks is because he ran very precise routes, and JC had confidence he'd be where he was supposed to be. 90% of a WRs job is getting open, making the catch is only 10% of the work. Lloyd just doesn't get open because he doesn't work hard enough to master the playbook, he could care less about learning the intracacies of route-running because all he wants to do is burn dudes deep.

I mean at what point can we just call a spade a spade. If it quacks, it's a duck. Not a hen, not a rooster, not a swan... it's a friggin duck people. Same damn thing happened with Ramsey, and it's happening with Lloyd. People see flashes every now and then, so they think if we just give him more looks, or if we just give him a chance, he'll be OK. No. He sucks. It's not that hard to make the judgment. He's a piece of shit because of his poor work ethic, and it's not going to get markedly better. Book it.

Bingo.

If what SS is right then the reason he doesn't get looks is because he isn;t where he is supposed to be. No QB in this league will take the time to look around the field for a guy running a wrong route. They just progress to the next target. At the end of the day Schneed hit it on the head. You are what you are and BL is a guy who hasn't nearly lived up to his contract. No other way to look at it to me.

[EternalEnigma21]

lloyd isnt great... but we're being a bit harsh... I think we're just tired of reading about him having a piss poor attitude. I dont want a #1 wideout pro-bowler primadona (a la owns, moss, etc...) unless its chad johnson... but I really don't want a guy getting overpaid to be a #3 to have any kind of attitude...


heh... Hard On...hehehe

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

lloyd isnt great... but we're being a bit harsh... I think we're just tired of reading about him having a piss poor attitude. I dont want a #1 wideout pro-bowler primadona (a la owns, moss, etc...) unless its chad johnson... but I really don't want a guy getting overpaid to be a #3 to have any kind of attitude...


heh... Hard On...hehehe

Dude, he's getting 30 million dollars to perform not like a number one, not like a number 2, not even like a number 3, but like a number 4 receiver. Last year's production was atrocious, and he was atrocious again on Sunday. How can you possibly be harsh ENOUGH on a bum that big?

[Cowell]

On TV it just looked the ball was thrown just a bit over his head and he couldn't get his hands on it. Of course the TV is deceptive, so who knows.

[RobH4413]

Being to hard on Lloyd? I'm not sure we're being hard enough.

I jumped off the "I hate Lloyd" bandwagon some time ago, but he has yet to do much of anything. His good plays are few and far between, and he hasn't made much of the opportunity he's had.

I really really really want him to succeed. I think the guy has the potential to be a great receiver, but when a guy comes out and has a bad attitude about things that doesn't fly. Teammates say he turns everyone off from the trainers to the head coaches, he throws his helmet when he gets frustrated, and he's been quoted saying something like "I've had this attitude since I was 5, I see no reason to change it".

I'm willing to give him some chances, but this is year two of the Lloyd experiment.

Let's see some more results... then I'll cut him some more slack.

[Cowell]

Wow, the guy sounds about as mature as a little kid. If he doesen't get in gear this year I don't think we will see this guy around. Of course as with any case no matter how bad of an attitude or how bad a player has done before there will always be teams right there to scoop him up.

[Bill B]

Actually listening to Riggo this evening and #44 said the writing is on the wall and if not for Llyod's massive contract he would already be gone and that they could not cut him due to cap reasons in-season. Riggo went on to say with Caldwell being signed it is over for Llyod and he will be cut in the offseason. Two picks and $10+ million later the Skins have finally learned what the 49ers already knew.

[redskins5044]

Originally Posted by Bill B

Actually listening to Riggo this evening and #44 said the writing is on the wall and if not for Llyod's massive contract he would already be gone and that they could not cut him due to cap reasons in-season. Riggo went on to say with Caldwell being signed it is over for Llyod and he will be cut in the offseason. Two picks and $10+ million later the Skins have finally learned what the 49ers already knew.

if this is true. then good job joe on trading 2 picks and spending all that money on true character guy. give the guy a chance. the first half of the season last brunell was the QB and then campbell who had ever played before. then through one game of the season we just give up on a guy. i thinks gibbs haslost his judgement on talent a little.we let walt harris go and then he turns into a pro bowler. draft a garbage corner in carlos rogers. hopefully what he saw in campbell is true. not to change subjects but springs is on his way out the door too, we are treating him the same we treated lavar.

[Bill B]

Originally Posted by redskins5044

if this is true. then good job joe on trading 2 picks and spending all that money on true character guy. give the guy a chance. the first half of the season last brunell was the QB and then campbell who had ever played before. then through one game of the season we just give up on a guy. i thinks gibbs haslost his judgement on talent a little.we let walt harris go and then he turns into a pro bowler. draft a garbage corner in carlos rogers. hopefully what he saw in campbell is true. not to change subjects but springs is on his way out the door too, we are treating him the same we treated lavar.

My hope is that the team will calm down on trading any more picks for "proven" players. Maybe production will finally rule the day and the Skins will stop being the destination for players that "just want a big payday"

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by redskins5044

if this is true. then good job joe on trading 2 picks and spending all that money on true character guy. give the guy a chance. the first half of the season last brunell was the QB and then campbell who had ever played before. then through one game of the season we just give up on a guy. i thinks gibbs haslost his judgement on talent a little.we let walt harris go and then he turns into a pro bowler. draft a garbage corner in carlos rogers. hopefully what he saw in campbell is true. not to change subjects but springs is on his way out the door too, we are treating him the same we treated lavar.

I'm sure right now Rexi has a giant "Told you so!" smile on his face.

He warned everyone, and was written off as a lunatic. I heard him out some, and Grim decided to go postal on me.

Amazing how it unfolded exactly like Rexi had said it would.

Let's hope he's still wrong... Because I'd like for a good #3 receiver.

[Cowell]

We brought in Reche because I think he could be a good #3. The guy despite the fact that he dropped that pass in the playoffs is very reliable. He's not going to put up huge numbers but he is reliable.