Gibbs says it can be weeks...

[MTK]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

Who says they're hanging?

That's the thing that really bugs me about all of this. People come on here and talk like they *know* every detail about what Dan Snyder is doing. None of us do. Anything we *think* we know is nothing more than our assumptions based on the latest rumor-of-the-minute.

I'm going to wait until a coach is named and the circumstances of the hire have been released until I form an opinion on all of this.

Yep, too many people are taking media speculation as fact and are automatically assuming the worst.

Maybe those like myself that aren't assuming the worst are dead wrong. I'll be the first to admit it if I am, but the reality is nobody really knows much at all right now.

I know some may see this as me saying that we can't have a negative opinion. I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying let's try to maintain a level head and see how this plays out. Some of these chicken little responses are just totally ridiculous.

[SmootSmack]

I think Snyder actually does care what the fans think, but he shouldn't. I think, having grown up a fan himself, he thinks "Oh the fans will love it if I make this big move and we bring home a Super Bowl this year." But sometimes, you just have to accept that things take time. It's sort of like that saying "Buy a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll eat for life."

Snyder needs to remember he's more than just a fan now, and he needs to stop trying to make the impulsive moves to instantly gratifying his fan base. I believe that he is heading in that direction. Now, of course, a lot of the fans are up in arms over this. But f' them. If it gets you so worked up that you're going to cancel your season tickets, sell all your memorabilia, never watch another game and so on just because of speculation...then just do it already. Enough with the empty threats. Just leave.

[AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace]

I get what you're saying SmootSmack about the fans, but on the other end, you can't completely ignore the fans. As I said before, one of the things I loved about Gibbs and that endeared him to us all, is that he acknowledged us all so much. Snyder does have to make the tough calls regardless of fan sentiment, but completely ignoring public opinion will lead to bad news.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think Snyder actually does care what the fans think, but he shouldn't. I think, having grown up a fan himself, he thinks "Oh the fans will love it if I make this big move and we bring home a Super Bowl this year." But sometimes, you just have to accept that things take time. It's sort of like that saying "Buy a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll eat for life."

Snyder needs to remember he's more than just a fan now, and he needs to stop trying to make the impulsive moves to instantly gratifying his fan base. I believe that he is heading in that direction. Now, of course, a lot of the fans are up in arms over this. But f' them. If it gets you so worked up that you're going to cancel your season tickets, sell all your memorabilia, never watch another game and so on just because of speculation...then just do it already. Enough with the empty threats. Just leave.

Smooty, come on. Why go there and just throw your hands up and tell fans to just leave? That's not fair. People are frustrated and madder than hell. I think Snyder should care about what the fans think. After all, many of them were in place to support his beloved franchise decades before he even thought about football. I'll go a step further, yes, the fans should also influence, to some extent, how decisions being made impacts the franchise too. Should every decision made by Snyder have the fans in mind? Of course not, let's be real here. It's a business...but that's a two way street. You can't say on one hand I want to build a quality franchise, but on the other hand consistently rub the fan base the wrong way.

I happen to think he's responding more impulsively now than when he first began the coaching search. While he probably didn't care at all at the beginning of the search, I think it's quite possible that he is now paying some attention, proabably too much, to the outrage by the fan base.

[skinsfan0201]

We have to continue to fight for Gregg Williams for our head coach!!!!!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Smooty, come on. Why go there and just throw your hands up and tell fans to just leave? That's not fair. People are frustrated and madder than hell. I think Snyder should care about what the fans think. After all, many of them were in place to support his beloved franchise decades before he even thought about football. I'll go a step further, yes, the fans should also influence, to some extent, how decisions being made impacts the franchise too. Should every decision made by Snyder have the fans in mind? Of course not, let's be real here. It's a business...but that's a two way street. You can't say on one hand I want to build a quality franchise, but on the other hand consistently rub the fan base the wrong way.

I happen to think he's responding more impulsively now than when he first began the coaching search. While he probably didn't care at all at the beginning of the search, I think it's quite possible that he is now paying some attention, proabably too much, to the outrage by the fan base.

I respectfully disagree. I think people want results instantly. This is why we have so many moronic threads after every loss. Snyder has to, HAS TO, separate himself from that. It's that steady hand that you always hear about Gibbs having in the course of adversity. So what if the fans are mad now? How many times have we griped about being the "Champs of the off-season" Is that what's most important to us? Is it so important that we rush to name a head coach at the risk of regretting the decision come mid-October?

Like I've said before, I completely understand the frustration fans have. Hey, I'm frustrated too. I want a decision to be made so we can move on with our offseason plans. But if it takes a little longer than everyone wants for everyone (everyone who truly matters) to be comfortable with the decision, then so be it. But it's one thing to give rational responses to your frustration, and another to demand Snyder sell the team or you're taking your toys and going home.

If your (not speaking about you specifically 12th) answer to the wait is to go off the deep end, then really you need to get a life.

(by the way, do you ever see Jack Heinbaugh at WRC?)

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I respectfully disagree. I think people want results instantly. This is why we have so many moronic threads after every loss. Snyder has to, HAS TO, separate himself from that. It's that steady hand that you always hear about Gibbs having in the course of adversity. So what if the fans are mad now? How many times have we griped about being the "Champs of the off-season" Is that what's most important to us? Is it so important that we rush to name a head coach at the risk of regretting the decision come mid-October?

Like I've said before, I completely understand the frustration fans have. Hey, I'm frustrated too. I want a decision to be made so we can move on with our offseason plans. But if it takes a little longer than everyone wants for everyone (everyone who truly matters) to be comfortable with the decision, then so be it. But it's one thing to give rational responses to your frustration, and another to demand Snyder sell the team or you're taking your toys and going home.

If your (not speaking about you specifically 12th) answer to the wait is to go off the deep end, then really you need to get a life.

(by the way, do you ever see Jack Heinbaugh at WRC?)

I don't think I saw Jack H....what does he look like?

Anyway, I'm out the door...I'll hit you later on this thread. Peace.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I don't think I saw Jack H....what does he look like?

Anyway, I'm out the door...I'll hit you later on this thread. Peace.

Sort of like Costanza with a beard

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I respectfully disagree. I think people want results instantly. This is why we have so many moronic threads after every loss. Snyder has to, HAS TO, separate himself from that. It's that steady hand that you always hear about Gibbs having in the course of adversity. So what if the fans are mad now? How many times have we griped about being the "Champs of the off-season" Is that what's most important to us? Is it so important that we rush to name a head coach at the risk of regretting the decision come mid-October?

Like I've said before, I completely understand the frustration fans have. Hey, I'm frustrated too. I want a decision to be made so we can move on with our offseason plans. But if it takes a little longer than everyone wants for everyone (everyone who truly matters) to be comfortable with the decision, then so be it. But it's one thing to give rational responses to your frustration, and another to demand Snyder sell the team or you're taking your toys and going home.

If your (not speaking about you specifically 12th) answer to the wait is to go off the deep end, then really you need to get a life.

(by the way, do you ever see Jack Heinbaugh at WRC?)

great post

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I respectfully disagree. I think people want results instantly. This is why we have so many moronic threads after every loss. Snyder has to, HAS TO, separate himself from that. It's that steady hand that you always hear about Gibbs having in the course of adversity. So what if the fans are mad now? How many times have we griped about being the "Champs of the off-season" Is that what's most important to us? Is it so important that we rush to name a head coach at the risk of regretting the decision come mid-October?

Like I've said before, I completely understand the frustration fans have. Hey, I'm frustrated too. I want a decision to be made so we can move on with our offseason plans. But if it takes a little longer than everyone wants for everyone (everyone who truly matters) to be comfortable with the decision, then so be it. But it's one thing to give rational responses to your frustration, and another to demand Snyder sell the team or you're taking your toys and going home.

If your (not speaking about you specifically 12th) answer to the wait is to go off the deep end, then really you need to get a life.

(by the way, do you ever see Jack Heinbaugh at WRC?)

I'm sittin' squarely in your camp on this issue.

The fans have no idea what the best moves are. No idea. Flipping a coin on personnel moves would lead to better results. If we let the fans run the team, we would go 4-12 every year unless we got riddled by injures one year, and then we'd go 2-14.

Snyder has the right--no the RESPONSIBILITY to do what is in the best interest of the organization even if the fan base doesn't accept it. And in many cases, Snyder fails in this responsibility as all decision makers do from time to time, but making decisions because the fans think it is proper is a good way to ensure the tanking of the subject franchise.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'm sittin' squarely in your camp on this issue.

The fans have no idea what the best moves are. No idea. Flipping a coin on personnel moves would lead to better results. If we let the fans run the team, we would go 4-12 every year unless we got riddled by injures one year, and then we'd go 2-14.

Snyder has the right--no the RESPONSIBILITY to do what is in the best interest of the organization even if the fan base doesn't accept it. And in many cases, Snyder fails in this responsibility as all decision makers do from time to time, but making decisions because the fans think it is proper is a good way to ensure the tanking of the subject franchise.

I agree nice post

[squrrelco3]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Now, of course, a lot of the fans are up in arms over this. But f' them. If it gets you so worked up that you're going to cancel your season tickets, sell all your memorabilia, never watch another game and so on just because of speculation...then just do it already. Enough with the empty threats. Just leave.

Well put SS...

Honestly, the only problem I have with this situation to be completely honest with you is the way the team has handled this from a PR standpoint...

I'm sure you heard Bram Weinstein's interview on Riggo's show yesterday and he pretty much said it...the way this has been handled from a PR standpoint is a textbook example of how not to handle these things...now I understand there are certain things that cannot be divulged when dealing with new hires and contract negotiations...but there is not a team in the league that I can honestly think of that has mucked-up things as badly as the 'Skins have with thier secrecy...I mean Christ, you would think they are guarding the secrets to cold fusion or something with the way they have been acting.

Then you have Dan Synder's reputation for being meddlesome and generally uncooperative with the rest of the league (perhaps one of the reasons why they are having trouble getting cooperation from other teams in getting coaches) combined with the fact that they have really burned up a ton of goodwill with the fans and other teams by overpaying for coaches and players.

This whole thing is turning into a perfect storm of just plain bad press and ill will with the fanbase...

[SKINSnCANES]

How much work really gets done during the month of January for a team not in the playoffs? Dont coachs and players usually get this time off anyways for a few weeks before draft prep (assuming you aretn teh scouting coach at the senior bowl). I dont think not having a coach for even a month translates to loses in September. Its not like its a QB holding out for money and not getting reps.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

How much work really gets done during the month of January for a team not in the playoffs? Dont coachs and players usually get this time off anyways for a few weeks before draft prep (assuming you aretn teh scouting coach at the senior bowl). I dont think not having a coach for even a month translates to loses in September. Its not like its a QB holding out for money and not getting reps.

While not a lot of work gets done right now I think it's mainly a review of the prior season and the start of prep for free agency and the draft. But yeah they do typically get some time off.

[SKINSnCANES]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

While not a lot of work gets done right now I think it's mainly a review of the prior season and the start of prep for free agency and the draft. But yeah they do typically get some time off.

Yea this is 1 of the 12 months that Spurrier would take off to play golf instead of coach.