Tebow or McCoy?

[GTripp0012]

I think if you protect Campbell, you'll get really good accuracy. That's really all that was different in 2008.

Let him get hit all day long and, well, yeah, his mechanics go to hell. And then you get crappy accuracy like in 2009.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think if you protect Campbell, you'll get really good accuracy. That's really all that was different in 2008.

Let him get hit all day long and, well, yeah, his mechanics go to hell. And then you get crappy accuracy like in 2009.

I'll be interested to see how jumpy he is this year. Guy sure did stay on his toes knowing that he had to run for his life at any given moment.. was pretty obvious his knees (at least) were bothering him too.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think if you protect Campbell, you'll get really good accuracy. That's really all that was different in 2008.

Let him get hit all day long and, well, yeah, his mechanics go to hell. And then you get crappy accuracy like in 2009.

I think there were more issues then his accuracy. I will agree with you on the fact that no QB will do well with out protection.

JC has had 5 yrs. He's shown little improvement. There is not another position on this team that would be getting 5 yrs of mediocre talent with out getting traded or cut. Hell some of you are already done with Thomas and Kelly.

Did JC's 08 season start out well looking to be a Pro Bowl season and possible MVP? Yes. Then our OL did break down and other teams figured out how to beat JC. Find a way to disquise the rush and confuse the hell out of him prior to the snap and he's done.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I think there were more issues then his accuracy. I will agree with you on the fact that no QB will do well with out protection.

JC has had 5 yrs. He's shown little improvement. There is not another position on this team that would be getting 5 yrs of mediocre talent with out getting traded or cut. Hell some of you are already done with Thomas and Kelly.

Did JC's 08 season start out well looking to be a Pro Bowl season and possible MVP? Yes. Then our OL did break down and other teams figured out how to beat JC. Find a way to disquise the rush and confuse the hell out of him prior to the snap and he's done.

Two back to back falsehoods there, although the latter is dependent on the former falsehood.

In general, I agree with your conclusion that we're screwed if the defense we're playing can be creative enough to attack from all different angles, and you're stuck doing the same vanilla blocking because the team isn't healthy enough to practice blocking schemes as a unit for the upcoming week. That pretty much kills any vertical attack that an offense featuring our receivers may have.

[GTripp0012]

Theres' something to be said for making a 2 pt jump in completion percentage without drastically changing how deep the average pass is being thrown and all the while regressing in terms of accuracy. What, exactly, that says I'm really not sure.

It could be as simple as a propensity to take more sacks.

[GusFrerotte]

Still think folks are too enamored with these guys. All, but Clausen come from big time programs, stacked with talent, that take on average to below average opponents 90% of the time. When the hype machine is working on overtime for a player, I think the red flags need to automatically come out with recent draft history as our guide. THe only hyped up QBs during the draft in say the last what 10-15 years to produce a Lombardi both were named Manning. McNabb came close, but no cigar. Still, my point is the percentage of these overhyped college QBs making it isn't so hot. You mean to tell me all of a sudden at his pro day Tebow improved his mechanics? Bradford looked like a god at his? Sorry folks, I do watch college football. Tebow looks more like a game manager than a real QB when I watched him in the big games, and that is what he will be facing just about every week in the NFL in the age of parity. Bradford is the only one that has a real good shot at franchise status, but he too benefitted from playing on a stacked team in a conference that had a down year overall(TX ran away with it) and not known for solid defensive play. As for Clausen, he did play on a decent team, that underachieved, and ND kindly declined the bowl bid(the honorable thing to do). If anybody wants Clausen, might as well look at Lefevour, Stull, Kafka, Crompton, etc. I mean seriously. Shuler was the #1 stud and we got Frerotte in the seventh. Who ended up being the starter and making the pro bowl? Limiting ourselves to just the QBs that garner the headlines because they are on bigtime programs is absurd and can hurt us in the quest for a true franchise QB.

[murphy196]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Still think folks are too enamored with these guys. All, but Clausen come from big time programs, stacked with talent, that take on average to below average opponents 90% of the time. When the hype machine is working on overtime for a player, I think the red flags need to automatically come out with recent draft history as our guide. THe only hyped up QBs during the draft in say the last what 10-15 years to produce a Lombardi both were named Manning. McNabb came close, but no cigar. Still, my point is the percentage of these overhyped college QBs making it isn't so hot. You mean to tell me all of a sudden at his pro day Tebow improved his mechanics? Bradford looked like a god at his? Sorry folks, I do watch college football. Tebow looks more like a game manager than a real QB when I watched him in the big games, and that is what he will be facing just about every week in the NFL in the age of parity. Bradford is the only one that has a real good shot at franchise status, but he too benefitted from playing on a stacked team in a conference that had a down year overall(TX ran away with it) and not known for solid defensive play. As for Clausen, he did play on a decent team, that underachieved, and ND kindly declined the bowl bid(the honorable thing to do). If anybody wants Clausen, might as well look at Lefevour, Stull, Kafka, Crompton, etc. I mean seriously. Shuler was the #1 stud and we got Frerotte in the seventh. Who ended up being the starter and making the pro bowl? Limiting ourselves to just the QBs that garner the headlines because they are on bigtime programs is absurd and can hurt us in the quest for a true franchise QB.

One of the most knowledgeable comments I've seen on this board regarding Tebow, McCoy and Bradford. I have to disagree about Clausen. The defenses that ND had while he was there were horrible, they could never stop anyone, it was pathetic. In my opinion, I think he is the most NFL ready QB coming out this year, without a doubt. If he gets picked up by a team that has some talent (Redskins), he will do very well.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by murphy196

One of the most knowledgeable comments I've seen on this board regarding Tebow, McCoy and Bradford. I have to disagree about Clausen. The defenses that ND had while he was there were horrible, they could never stop anyone, it was pathetic. In my opinion, I think he is the most NFL ready QB coming out this year, without a doubt. If he gets picked up by a team that has some talent (Redskins), he will do very well.

That part about Clausen wasn't supposed to be a knock against him per say, but he did have more talent than most of the guys I mentioned after him like Lefevour or Kafka, but like you say the ND defense sucked eggs. My thing is Clausen would be in the same category as the others since he played teams on the same talent level as ND. I think the guys that played on average teams that played opponents of similar or superior talent levels should be really looked at. They could probably handle parity better or even inferiority. The Shuler/Frerotte comparison was the best example I could think of.

[GusFrerotte]

We should keep JC through 2011 and draft Mallet or Keenum from Houston since we have a nice down the field system in the works with Kyle.

[Eknox]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

We should keep JC through 2011 and draft Mallet or Keenum from Houston since we have a nice down the field system in the works with Kyle.

that's what I'm talking about Ryan Mallett should be who we are targeting next year, and build the line this year..

[CRedskinsRule]

But can we get Ramsey?

[GTripp0012]

Full career only.

[Pocket$ $traight]

I can't vote for either. I don't think Tebow will be ready to start for a team in '11.

[30gut]

If McCoy erases the doubts about his arm strength at his pro-day i'll take McCoy.

But, the round we take them matters alot imo.

[GusFrerotte]

Dude he had the #1 rushing offense and a huge offensive line around him in '09. What more can you ask for? It begs the question many had about JC. Was he good on his own or was it because he had two first round RBs lining up behind him. And yes Florida was stacked with talent compared to the likes of Florida Atlantic, Vandy, Ole Miss, Tenn, S Carolina, Miss St, etc. Most of the major conferences had sort of a down year in terms of competition for the conference titles. Only the two teams that went to the championship game were really the only ones in contention the entire season(PAC 10 was a bit exciting the last 3 weeks). You want Tebow you can have him. He is a project at best.