Tebow or McCoy?

[GusFrerotte]

Still think folks are too enamored with these guys. All, but Clausen come from big time programs, stacked with talent, that take on average to below average opponents 90% of the time. When the hype machine is working on overtime for a player, I think the red flags need to automatically come out with recent draft history as our guide. THe only hyped up QBs during the draft in say the last what 10-15 years to produce a Lombardi both were named Manning. McNabb came close, but no cigar. Still, my point is the percentage of these overhyped college QBs making it isn't so hot. You mean to tell me all of a sudden at his pro day Tebow improved his mechanics? Bradford looked like a god at his? Sorry folks, I do watch college football. Tebow looks more like a game manager than a real QB when I watched him in the big games, and that is what he will be facing just about every week in the NFL in the age of parity. Bradford is the only one that has a real good shot at franchise status, but he too benefitted from playing on a stacked team in a conference that had a down year overall(TX ran away with it) and not known for solid defensive play. As for Clausen, he did play on a decent team, that underachieved, and ND kindly declined the bowl bid(the honorable thing to do). If anybody wants Clausen, might as well look at Lefevour, Stull, Kafka, Crompton, etc. I mean seriously. Shuler was the #1 stud and we got Frerotte in the seventh. Who ended up being the starter and making the pro bowl? Limiting ourselves to just the QBs that garner the headlines because they are on bigtime programs is absurd and can hurt us in the quest for a true franchise QB.

[murphy196]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Still think folks are too enamored with these guys. All, but Clausen come from big time programs, stacked with talent, that take on average to below average opponents 90% of the time. When the hype machine is working on overtime for a player, I think the red flags need to automatically come out with recent draft history as our guide. THe only hyped up QBs during the draft in say the last what 10-15 years to produce a Lombardi both were named Manning. McNabb came close, but no cigar. Still, my point is the percentage of these overhyped college QBs making it isn't so hot. You mean to tell me all of a sudden at his pro day Tebow improved his mechanics? Bradford looked like a god at his? Sorry folks, I do watch college football. Tebow looks more like a game manager than a real QB when I watched him in the big games, and that is what he will be facing just about every week in the NFL in the age of parity. Bradford is the only one that has a real good shot at franchise status, but he too benefitted from playing on a stacked team in a conference that had a down year overall(TX ran away with it) and not known for solid defensive play. As for Clausen, he did play on a decent team, that underachieved, and ND kindly declined the bowl bid(the honorable thing to do). If anybody wants Clausen, might as well look at Lefevour, Stull, Kafka, Crompton, etc. I mean seriously. Shuler was the #1 stud and we got Frerotte in the seventh. Who ended up being the starter and making the pro bowl? Limiting ourselves to just the QBs that garner the headlines because they are on bigtime programs is absurd and can hurt us in the quest for a true franchise QB.

One of the most knowledgeable comments I've seen on this board regarding Tebow, McCoy and Bradford. I have to disagree about Clausen. The defenses that ND had while he was there were horrible, they could never stop anyone, it was pathetic. In my opinion, I think he is the most NFL ready QB coming out this year, without a doubt. If he gets picked up by a team that has some talent (Redskins), he will do very well.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by murphy196

One of the most knowledgeable comments I've seen on this board regarding Tebow, McCoy and Bradford. I have to disagree about Clausen. The defenses that ND had while he was there were horrible, they could never stop anyone, it was pathetic. In my opinion, I think he is the most NFL ready QB coming out this year, without a doubt. If he gets picked up by a team that has some talent (Redskins), he will do very well.

That part about Clausen wasn't supposed to be a knock against him per say, but he did have more talent than most of the guys I mentioned after him like Lefevour or Kafka, but like you say the ND defense sucked eggs. My thing is Clausen would be in the same category as the others since he played teams on the same talent level as ND. I think the guys that played on average teams that played opponents of similar or superior talent levels should be really looked at. They could probably handle parity better or even inferiority. The Shuler/Frerotte comparison was the best example I could think of.