Tebow - More Upside than Downside for a franchise......

[IrMitchell]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

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I've never seen someone with so little NFL potential get so much hype. Simply amazing.

You don't see one of the greatest college football players of all times game not translate to the pros though do you? Well maybe that's wrong, but still he deserves every second of it I think.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Tebow is not better than any starting NFL QB right now. He doesn't even have the basic fundamentals of footwork down and he's not up to speed with reading NFL defenses.

This Tebow man crush continues to amaze me.

No doubt. He's a major question and the talk of him going in the late first to second baffles the hell out of me. I'd be higher on most of the 2nd tier QBs.. to me he's 3rd tier.

[MTK]

The thing I find funny about the Tebow hype is if you listen to the scouts or so called experts, opinions on him vary greatly. There are some genuine concerns about his mechanics, ability to read defenses, ability to play in a pro style offense, etc. that shouldn't be brushed aside. Yet his supporters just seem to ignore all that and think his determination is going to trump all of his negatives.

Tebow isn't the first playing coming into the NFL with great intangibles. Those things can only take you so far though.

I'm really on the fence with the guy, I can't say either way where I see him in 5 years. Those that have their minds made up good or bad, are those that I tend to tune out.

[IrMitchell]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The thing I find funny about the Tebow hype is if you listen to the scouts or so called experts, opinions on him vary greatly. There are some genuine concerns about his mechanics, ability to read defenses, ability to play in a pro style offense, etc. that shouldn't be brushed aside. Yet his supporters just seem to ignore all that and think his determination is going to trump all of his negatives.

Tebow isn't the first playing coming into the NFL with great intangibles. Those things can only take you so far though.

I'm really on the fence with the guy, I can't say either way where I see him in 5 years. Those that have their minds made up good or bad, are those that I tend to tune out.

Exactly, it's kinda funny too because I remember during the sugar bowl thinking wow thank god the Redskins will have a chance to draft this guy so just for kicks I checked out a mock draft on him. Turns out he was favored to go 10th to the Jags, how things have changed eh? The only thing that changed that too was the Senior Bowl, more scouts and his pro day and now he's a 3rd round+ quaterback and should only be taken in by a successful team, but with that being said you know if you draft him he's gonna do whatever it takes to win.

[MTK]

Okung would easily be our best tackle if drafted today.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Okung would easily be our best tackle if drafted today.

Absolutely. Our o-line would be upgraded with that one pick alone.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Absolutely. Our o-line would be upgraded with that one pick alone.

When did LT's become such a vouge pick. It seemed like back in the 80's a guy like Okung might have lasted to till the back end of round 1.

[IrMitchell]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

When did LT's become such a vouge pick. It seemed like back in the 80's a guy like Okung might have lasted to till the back end of round 1.

This is exactly how I feel. Get our tackle in the second round or trade for Gaither.

In my eyes on a scale of 1 to 10 in importance I got QB at 10 and LT at 6-7.
The more i think about it, the mro eI feel that Gaither for our 37th would be a perfect trade.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

When did LT's become such a vouge pick. It seemed like back in the 80's a guy like Okung might have lasted to till the back end of round 1.

When offensive lines play like ours did in 2009, drafting a tackle is super vogue.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

When did LT's become such a vouge pick. It seemed like back in the 80's a guy like Okung might have lasted to till the back end of round 1.

I just glanced through the draft results in the 80s and nearly every year there were tackles taken in the top 5, top 10, top 15, etc.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

When did LT's become such a vouge pick. It seemed like back in the 80's a guy like Okung might have lasted to till the back end of round 1.

When LT broke Theismann's leg and destroyed the chance for the Skins to run off about 5-6 SB appearances in a row. And when QB contracts took off into the stratosphere.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

When LT broke Theismann's leg and destroyed the chance for the Skins to run off about 5-6 SB appearances in a row. And when QB contracts took off into the stratosphere.

I hear you. Actually the funny thing is recently I was looking at the draft history of the late 90's early 2000's and remember reading a USA Today article earlier in the decade that QB play was at an all time low. In looking at the draft it wasn't hard to see why.

Guys like Rick Mierer getting drafted with less then 2,000 yards passing and something like 13TD's. Guys that could barely get over 50% passing. The 5 yard rule has to be responsible for part of it but at the same time I think QB's have been a lot more prepared then they have been in eyars past. By the way I'm still looking for Ryan Leafs college stats. Something tells me when I find them I won't be impressed.

Anyway back to Tebow which is why I'm bumping this thead. If we do trade down and end up with a second round pick I would seriously count on us drafting Tebow. McNabb is the perfect stopgap for a guy that needs to learn/relearn everything. Not that I'm ready to get rid of McNabb anytime soon. Man to think thats our QB now. Took what, like 20 years or something to find a franchise QB?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Okung would easily be our best tackle if drafted today.

As would any of the tackles projected to go in the first two rounds of the draft today.

When Stephon Heyer is the best tackle on your team, then something is clearly wrong. OT is by far the most pressing need on our team right now.

We need atleast 2, and preferably three, tackles better than Heyer on this team by the start of the season.

EDIT: An argument could easily be made that Hicks is the best Tackle on our team. However, i havent heard him officially be spoken of as anything other than a starting RG or backup T/G.

[Defensewins]

Its just how the talent stacked this year. It is easier at this time to project Suh and Okung have enough talent and play at positions where they will play right away... and make difference.

[joethiesmanfan]

Tebow, the best Qb out the draft. SEC rules!!!