Loose Change

[EternalEnigma21]

It just seems to me like the statements:

"if you don't support the war you don't support the troops"

and

"if you continue to perpetrate the conspiracy you spit in the face of the rescue workers"

are aimed at nothing but manipulation. In my opinion, the only people attempting to drag any hero's efforts through the mud are the people who use their efforts for their own gain... whether its political, or to "win" and argument.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

It just seems to me like the statements:

"if you don't support the war you don't support the troops"

and

"if you continue to perpetrate the conspiracy you spit in the face of the rescue workers"

are aimed at nothing but manipulation. In my opinion, the only people attempting to drag any hero's efforts through the mud are the people who use their efforts for their own gain... whether its political, or to "win" and argument.

Well, I don't believe it's accurate to say "if you don't support the war you don't support the troops"

But, as I mentioned earlier, someone I'm very close to played a big role in the recovery efforts. It took a lot out of that person, and still does to this day. I saw first hand what that person had to deal with day in and day out. And yeah, I find it a bit offensive for anyone to imply (especially based on some amateur film that was originally designed to be fiction anyway) that what that person and everyone else involved went through was simply part of some conspiracy, and further, to insinuate that those same people created the conspiracy.

[jsarno]

Due to the fact that someone had mangled some words here, it got me to thinking that we do not use the dictionary enough in our society...soooo, Maybe the problem here is that one person does not understand what the word "fiction" means.
fiction - Definitions from Dictionary.com

If you still continue to argue, then it is likely that you have difficulty seeing reason. Being able to see reason is this definition:
sane - Definitions from Dictionary.com

Of course lack of reasoning, and ignoring the truth once it has been placed in front of you, and insisting your way is the truth depsite the evidence to the contrary, well here is a definition for you:
insane - Definitions from Dictionary.com

Of course, at this point, we are all thinking the same thing:
moron - Definitions from Dictionary.com

[mheisig]

I'm all for being skeptical and I thing there's some weird stuff going on, but it's always worth it to look at both sides of the story.

Loose Change vs. Popular Mechanics, Part 1

It's about a 5-part series, but it's a debate between the editors of Popular Mechanics and the kids who made Loose Change.

The kids who did Loose Change, while they have some interesting ideas, really presenting themselves poorly. They look like a bunch of young douchebags arguing with professionals when they snort and snicker and huff and puff and refer to it as "yellow journalism" or whatever.

Weird stuff going on and interesting nontheless - I'm not sure who I believe.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by mheisig

I'm all for being skeptical and I thing there's some weird stuff going on, but it's always worth it to look at both sides of the story.

Loose Change vs. Popular Mechanics, Part 1

It's about a 5-part series, but it's a debate between the editors of Popular Mechanics and the kids who made Loose Change.

The kids who did Loose Change, while they have some interesting ideas, really presenting themselves poorly. They look like a bunch of young douchebags arguing with professionals when they snort and snicker and huff and puff and refer to it as "yellow journalism" or whatever.

Weird stuff going on and interesting nontheless - I'm not sure who I believe.

Now they're saying Popular Mechanics is in on the conspiracy because they are part of Heart Publishing? What a ****ing tool! Wish that Officer Rivieri dude would smack those kids around.

Those idiots are completing manipulating information. Case in point: At the 57:39 mark they extract part of a quote by Somerset County Coroner Wally Miller in the Washington Post, "I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were no bodies there."

But they ignore the human tissue found.

Hallowed Ground (washingtonpost.com) (5/12/02)

As coroner, responsible for returning human remains, Miller has been forced to share with the families information that is unimaginable. As he clinically recounts to them, holding back very few details, the 33 passengers, seven crew and four hijackers together weighed roughly 7,000 pounds. They were essentially cremated together upon impact. Hundreds of searchers who climbed the hemlocks and combed the woods for weeks were able to find about 1,500 mostly scorched samples of human tissue totaling less than 600 pounds, or about 8 percent of the total.

Miller was among the very first to arrive after 10:06 on the magnificently sunny morning of September 11. He was stunned at how small the smoking crater looked, he says, "like someone took a scrap truck, dug a 10-foot ditch and dumped all this trash into it." Once he was able to absorb the scene, Miller says, "I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were no bodies there. It became like a giant funeral service." As a funeral director, Miller says, he is honored and humbled to preside over what has become essentially an immense cemetery stretching far into the scenic wooded mountain ridge. He considers it the final resting place of 40 national heroes.

(a bit later in the article)

Immediately after the crash, the seeming absence of human remains led the mind of coroner Wally Miller to a surreal fantasy: that Flight 93 had somehow stopped in mid-flight and discharged all of its passengers before crashing. "There was just nothing visible," he says. "It was the strangest feeling." It would be nearly an hour before Miller came upon his first trace of a body part. The emotionally wrenching impact of what happened to the bodies caused Miller to resolve to seek out and talk personally to every one of the victims' families.

There's also this:

Latest Somerset crash site findings may yield added IDs (10/3/01)

The FBI has mandated DNA testing to confirm the identities of remains, a process just beginning that Miller said could take four to six months. But using mostly dental records, Miller and staff have identified remains of 12 passengers -- a number that the coroner said might grow with last weekend's recovery of additional remains.

Remains, like the aircraft wreckage itself, were scattered when the jet hit the ground at as much as 575 mph, then exploded in a fireball of fuel.

With those of 12 people identified, Miller and his team have identified the remains of 27 percent of the people on the plane, more than the 20 percent match he said that experts predicted at the outset.

I could go on, but it hardly seems worth it. JGIsLOTR doesn't seem to want to believe anything but the "research" of that film. Not sure why the rest of us should really waste our time with yet another retarded thread that he's started

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Now they're saying Popular Mechanics is in on the conspiracy because they are part of Heart Publishing? What a ****ing tool! Wish that Officer Rivieri dude would smack those kids around.

Those idiots are completing manipulating information. Case in point: At the 57:39 mark they extract part of a quote by Somerset County Coroner Wally Miller in the Washington Post, "I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were no bodies there."

But they ignore the human tissue found.

Hallowed Ground (washingtonpost.com) (5/12/02)



There's also this:

Latest Somerset crash site findings may yield added IDs (10/3/01)



I could go on, but it hardly seems worth it. JGIsLOTR doesn't seem to want to believe anything but the "research" of that film. Not sure why the rest of us should really waste our time with yet another retarded thread that he's started

Why dont you go FK yourself? That sounds like a fun plan, huh? You fking retarded bitch....eat my ass

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

F U all. Ban me.

Peace you ****S.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by JGisLordOfTheRings

F U all. Ban me.

Peace you ****S.

Grow up. Pay attention to all the evidence we're providing you that completely debunks that movie.

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Grow up. Pay attention to all the evidence we're providing you that completely debunks that movie.

or you could suck my dick!

[SmootSmack]

Are you done?

Why is it so hard for you to acknowledge all the links we've posted here?

[drew54]

This thread is heading to a sad ending.

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

Yo! I havent said Shit and about shit since my 2nd post on the matter and every makes assumptions like I havent checked the links or that my mind is the same. Are you ALL ****ing retarded? Do you have SO little a life as to try to make someone feel like they are dumb? Huh? This is a Skins site and we are SUPPOSED to be all family here. I have post 2 threads since Ive been here and gotten laughed at for both of them. Look dude, it's in the fking locker room and the "scientifical" evidence i stated was the melting degree of steel and NOTHING that you fat retarded old ****s are saying.

SO, Mr. Smoot, youre a mod on a forum. You must be the coolest. Get over yourself asshole. Just because you cant be a MAN in real life, doesnt mean you can talk shit over a computer and it makes it all good.

[mheisig]

Loose Change Debate

Here's the Loose Change creators in another debate. Around 7:15 they admit that they make some dubious claims and "were kids" when they made the film.

It's kind of a shame this discussion has gone straight down the shitter, as it was kind of interesting.

My personal opinion is that we don't have the whole story. I don't think it was a 100% Government conspiracy, but I also think there's a lot of holes in the official story that bear explanation and skepticism.

It seems like if you doubt any part of the official story then you're branded a crazy conspiracy theorist.

Do your own research, don't trust the media or the government and draw your own conclusions.

[Redskin]

gg withdrawnzors

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Redskin

I mean its just that your ignorance is astounding. Take a hint and shut the **** up. Smoot is a bigger man then you will ever be, hes not the one blowing up about being wrong. I have watch loose change and I guess im a sheep as you put it becuase form the moment I watched it I called total BS. 2/2 eh I guess you are a dumb bitch after all. Sorry after reading all the scientifical stuff JGILOTR was attacking reason with i couldnt holf back anymore.

We don't need to incite the sitaution anymore. Hopefully by now JGLOTR has realized that the huge flaws in that movie. I think he has