Loose Change

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Originally Posted by mheisig

I'm all for being skeptical and I thing there's some weird stuff going on, but it's always worth it to look at both sides of the story.

Loose Change vs. Popular Mechanics, Part 1

It's about a 5-part series, but it's a debate between the editors of Popular Mechanics and the kids who made Loose Change.

The kids who did Loose Change, while they have some interesting ideas, really presenting themselves poorly. They look like a bunch of young douchebags arguing with professionals when they snort and snicker and huff and puff and refer to it as "yellow journalism" or whatever.

Weird stuff going on and interesting nontheless - I'm not sure who I believe.

Now they're saying Popular Mechanics is in on the conspiracy because they are part of Heart Publishing? What a ****ing tool! Wish that Officer Rivieri dude would smack those kids around.

Those idiots are completing manipulating information. Case in point: At the 57:39 mark they extract part of a quote by Somerset County Coroner Wally Miller in the Washington Post, "I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were no bodies there."

But they ignore the human tissue found.

Hallowed Ground (washingtonpost.com) (5/12/02)

As coroner, responsible for returning human remains, Miller has been forced to share with the families information that is unimaginable. As he clinically recounts to them, holding back very few details, the 33 passengers, seven crew and four hijackers together weighed roughly 7,000 pounds. They were essentially cremated together upon impact. Hundreds of searchers who climbed the hemlocks and combed the woods for weeks were able to find about 1,500 mostly scorched samples of human tissue totaling less than 600 pounds, or about 8 percent of the total.

Miller was among the very first to arrive after 10:06 on the magnificently sunny morning of September 11. He was stunned at how small the smoking crater looked, he says, "like someone took a scrap truck, dug a 10-foot ditch and dumped all this trash into it." Once he was able to absorb the scene, Miller says, "I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were no bodies there. It became like a giant funeral service." As a funeral director, Miller says, he is honored and humbled to preside over what has become essentially an immense cemetery stretching far into the scenic wooded mountain ridge. He considers it the final resting place of 40 national heroes.

(a bit later in the article)

Immediately after the crash, the seeming absence of human remains led the mind of coroner Wally Miller to a surreal fantasy: that Flight 93 had somehow stopped in mid-flight and discharged all of its passengers before crashing. "There was just nothing visible," he says. "It was the strangest feeling." It would be nearly an hour before Miller came upon his first trace of a body part. The emotionally wrenching impact of what happened to the bodies caused Miller to resolve to seek out and talk personally to every one of the victims' families.

There's also this:

Latest Somerset crash site findings may yield added IDs (10/3/01)

The FBI has mandated DNA testing to confirm the identities of remains, a process just beginning that Miller said could take four to six months. But using mostly dental records, Miller and staff have identified remains of 12 passengers -- a number that the coroner said might grow with last weekend's recovery of additional remains.

Remains, like the aircraft wreckage itself, were scattered when the jet hit the ground at as much as 575 mph, then exploded in a fireball of fuel.

With those of 12 people identified, Miller and his team have identified the remains of 27 percent of the people on the plane, more than the 20 percent match he said that experts predicted at the outset.

I could go on, but it hardly seems worth it. JGIsLOTR doesn't seem to want to believe anything but the "research" of that film. Not sure why the rest of us should really waste our time with yet another retarded thread that he's started