Different Season, Same Trap

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by skins89moss

Why are do fans try to predict how a team in April is going to finish the season?

Because we're fans.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Wow, I am still not sold on the Skins transformation, but if it could be any more poorly described, I am not sure how.

Let's see we cut 10 "good team players" before free agency. Not a cost saving move or cap saving move, purely a football ability and team direction move. Not really the same face at all
You won't get me making a huge defense for McNabb, at the same time a 34yo QB who was in the PB very recently, and has led his team to the playoffs and was released because of his team's decision and was not a FA looking for a big payday.

Wow, I bet I go to any fan board and they are talking about how their team will be competitive. This is a shocking situation.

2002-2003 Dallas 5-11 to 10-6
1989-1990 Dallas 1-15 to 7-9
2007-2008 Miami 1-15 to 11-5 (nice you forgot that one)
1998-1999 Rams 3-13 to 13-3

So it has happened on occasion.

Really, your comments were that of a Dallas fan with no clue. You usually are better than that.

The only point I was trying to make was it is way too early to make W/L predictions.

ONE: We dont even have the season schedule yet
TWO: We don't know who is going to be on the roster yet.
THREE: The only thing that has happened thus far is the ink is still wet on a couple of contracts, and the guys have only been lifting weights together for about 10 days now.
FOUR: Not one practice has occured. McNabb "played catch" with Cooley and Kelly.

But allow me to enlighted you on one particular fact. Those 10 payers that the Redskins cut, it was most certainly a cost saving measure. To think otherwise just advertises that it is you that has no clue.

At the end of the day, what has really transpired thus far?
Released 10 players
Signed 8 players thus far and only ONE of those players is under 30 (but will turn 30 mid-season)

I agree, to a point, with the threads topic. SSDD. All the free-agents, and trades acquired are all on the wrong side of 30.

I might be wrong, and for the fans sake I hope I am. But honestly, when you really look at what has transpired, besides coaching, what has changed?

Still trading draft picks for players on the wrong side of 30. Still signing free agents on the wrong side of 30.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by saden1

Hmmm, not sure if any of these guys would qualify as "key guys." The only one that comes close is perhaps Cartwright as a primary kick returner. How sad.

They were all key locker room guys at the least. Griffin was definitely a key guy on and off the field.

[MTK]

On a side note has anyone added McNabb to the Skins in Madden?

It's just so weird. In a good way though.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

I know that things look simaliar from the outside, but this is not the same team that will suit up in the fall nor is this business as usual for the Redskins. To much has already changed, though it seems that some things have stayed the same. The addition of the players that have already entered the team at Redskins Park may have the same feel as the past. BUT BA and MS must rebuild with thier players and it starts by dropping some of the old faces that have not won much of anything since they have been here. That also means bringing in some vets. Since this years FA market wasn't that good I think we have done a fine job, and tings are not being run as they would have in the VC era just on the fact ath we have not signed one or tow HUGE FA to ridiculous contracts. On the contrary we have brought in good veteran depth and quality starters at good market value prices. I am not going to make any predictions like others have, I am only going to say this Redkins team of 2010 will be much more competitive and fun to watch as teams in years past.

[BleedBurgundy]

Got to agree with saden1 on this one... we're looking at .500 - .625 tops

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

The only point I was trying to make was it is way too early to make W/L predictions.

ONE: We dont even have the season schedule yet
TWO: We don't know who is going to be on the roster yet.
THREE: The only thing that has happened thus far is the ink is still wet on a couple of contracts, and the guys have only been lifting weights together for about 10 days now.
FOUR: Not one practice has occured. McNabb "played catch" with Cooley and Kelly.

IF you had stopped here we would have been in FULL AGREEMENT

but you went on...

But allow me to enlighted you on one particular fact. Those 10 payers that the Redskins cut, it was most certainly a cost saving measure. To think otherwise just advertises that it is you that has no clue.

If you look at the players they cut, they could have been kept for minimal costs, but they were all players who, to a large degree were living on past recognition, or locker room presence. Most were players who should have been gone but previous regimes kept for whatever reason (sometimes cap). To think those specific 10 were cut solely for a cost saving measure is wrong.

At the end of the day, what has really transpired thus far?
Released 10 players
Signed 8 players thus far and only ONE of those players is under 30 (but will turn 30 mid-season)

I agree, to a point, with the threads topic. SSDD. All the free-agents, and trades acquired are all on the wrong side of 30.

I might be wrong, and for the fans sake I hope I am. But honestly, when you really look at what has transpired, besides coaching, what has changed?

Still trading draft picks for players on the wrong side of 30. Still signing free agents on the wrong side of 30.

What has changed is that we are not signing the highest price FA available, regardless of fit, and we are trading draft picks within what a reasonable FO would do. (possibly)

Finally, one big change is the fact that, as many threads have said, the culture of entitlement is being weeded out.

That is a far cry from the thinking that we bring in one Julius Peppers and think man now we have it all.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

The only point I was trying to make was it is way too early to make W/L predictions.

ONE: We dont even have the season schedule yet
TWO: blah blah blah...

We know we'll beat Dallas and Philly twice...there's 4 wins already.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If his prime was 15th-20th in the league, he's still in that range.

I do think his 2009 QB rating makes him look a LOT better than he really was this season. I think he played with more confidence and made better throws as the year went on, but that ended up being short lived with the two Dallas games at the end of the year. I thought Philadelphia would win both of those games, but McNabb didn't play his best, and it's my conclusion that Philadelphia is better off not tying it's fortunes to fluctuations in McNabb's passing performance.

seemed like their O-Line wasn't so hot those games either

[Miller101]

I'm going to say 1800 yards passing 200 yards rushing 12 touchdowns 14 int's. He's going to hurt playing behind this crappy line that we have. He won't finish out the year.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Miller101

I'm going to say 1800 yards passing 200 yards rushing 12 touchdowns 14 int's. He's going to hurt playing behind this crappy line that we have. He won't finish out the year.

[spAtt]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Several key guys from previous years are gone:

Rock Cartwright
Ladell Betts
Fred Smoot
Cornelius Griffin
Randy Thomas
Antwaan Randel El

I think it's safe to say this won't be the same team in 2010. It will definitely have a new attitude courtesy of Mike Shanahan.

only 2 I'll miss..lol

[Beemnseven]

^I'd miss Griff and Thomas if they were in their prime, but not in the state they had been in recently.

[RememberRFK]

There is no trap here! This is a new begining. A time to be excited but not demanding. Let's say you just got a divorce and then time went by and you cooled off and were ready to enter into a new relationship. Would you have the same attitude toward your new partner as you do to the new Redskins. Granted, the new Redskins is not going to be a relationship for you but in reality, is expectations that much different? grip it n rip it!

[44ever]

Originally Posted by RememberRFK

There is no trap here! This is a new begining. A time to be excited but not demanding. Let's say you just got a divorce and then time went by and you cooled off and were ready to enter into a new relationship. Would you have the same attitude toward your new partner as you do to the new Redskins. Granted, the new Redskins is not going to be a relationship for you but in reality, is expectations that much different? grip it n rip it!

Is this Dr. Phil?