Andy Reid or Mike Shanahan? Eagles President takes shot at Shanny

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Yes they are both good coaches, not denying that, one just happens to have 2 rings and his name isn't Reid. Fact.

Also a fact, Mike is 2-1 against Andy, including a beating of 44-21 in 2005..it all doesn't matter tough...bling speaks louder than words.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Yes they are both good coaches, not denying that, one just happens to have 2 rings and his name isn't Reid. Fact.

Shanahan has not made the playoffs in NINE of his 16 full seasons as head coach. That is less then half. That sucks! Fact.

Shanahan won his two SB's with a hall of fame Qb named Elway. Once Elway was gone old Shanhan was fired. Kicked to the curb! Fact. Ouch!

Reid in his career as an NFL head coach, has been much more consistent in fielding a winner than Shanahan. Fact.
There are shit coaches that won a SB by riding others coat tails, see Barry Switzer. Winning a SB does not make you exempt from sucking.
Look I am not siding with Reid nor am I putting down Shanahan. But lets not make Shanahan into more than he CURRENTLY is. Currently he is struggling coach of a struggling franchise.
You have to walk the walk before you talk shit....and Shanhan's walk currently is that of a male ballet dancer with a pronounced lisp.
Comprende?
I do not really care how great Shanahan was last century. Clinton Portis was great at one time too. That does not mean he is great now.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Shanahan has not made the playoffs in NINE of his 16 full seasons as head coach. That is less then half. That sucks! Fact.

Shanahan won his two SB's with a hall of fame Qb named Elway. Once Elway was gone old Shanhan was fired. Kicked to the curb! Fact. Ouch!

Reid in his career as an NFL head coach, has been much more consistent in fielding a winner than Shanahan. Fact.
There are shit coaches that won a SB by riding others coat tails, see Barry Switzer. Winning a SB does not make you exempt from sucking.
Look I am not siding with Reid nor am I putting down Shanahan. But lets not make Shanahan into more than he CURRENTLY is. Currently he is struggling coach of a struggling franchise.
You have to walk the walk before you talk shit....and Shanhan's walk currently is that of a male ballet dancer with a pronounced lisp.
Comprende?
I do not really care how great Shanahan was last century. Clinton Portis was great at one time too. That does not mean he is great now.

Joe Gibbs has missed the playoffs 6 of out of his 16 years as a head coach. Compared to Andy he's a bum. 75% playoff apperance vs 62.5%? Clearly we would all like to have Andy!

Weak!!!! So Weak!!!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Shanahan has not made the playoffs in NINE of his 16 full seasons as head coach. That is less then half. That sucks! Fact.

Shanahan won his two SB's with a hall of fame Qb named Elway. Once Elway was gone old Shanhan was fired. Kicked to the curb! Fact. Ouch!

Reid in his career as an NFL head coach, has been much more consistent in fielding a winner than Shanahan. Fact.
There are shit coaches that won a SB by riding others coat tails, see Barry Switzer. Winning a SB does not make you exempt from sucking.
Look I am not siding with Reid nor am I putting down Shanahan. But lets not make Shanahan into more than he CURRENTLY is. Currently he is struggling coach of a struggling franchise.
You have to walk the walk before you talk shit....and Shanhan's walk currently is that of a male ballet dancer with a pronounced lisp.
Comprende?
I do not really care how great Shanahan was last century. Clinton Portis was great at one time too. That does not mean he is great now.

I've never tried to say Reid is a bad coach, not sure why you seem to be going out of your way to convince us of his genius. Good coach... good coach with no SB wins is all I've said from the start.

Bringing Switzer into the argument is just pure silliness. And the all mighty Elway didn't win jack until Shanahan came along, so let's not be so quick to give all the credit to Elway. They won those SB's together. Shanahan is what he is right now, a good coach trying to turn around a bad team, but that doesn't diminish his accomplishments.

Not a lot of guys have won 2 SB's you know.

[skinsfan69]

To me this sums up Mike Shanahan year one. He came in and changed a defense around cause HE thinks it would cause more turnovers. Fail 1. I saw a coach who let his son run the offense when he's suppose to be one of the best playcallers. Fail 2. I saw a coach who did a piss poor job communicating with the players. Fail 3. I saw a coach who made some bad personel moves. Fail 4. I saw a coach who let scrubs like Joey Galloway and Roydell Williams play. Fail 5.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

To me this sums up Mike Shanahan year one. He came in and changed a defense around cause HE thinks it would cause more turnovers. Fail 1. I saw a coach who let his son run the offense when he's suppose to be one of the best playcallers. Fail 2. I saw a coach who did a piss poor job communicating with the players. Fail 3. I saw a coach who made some bad personel moves. Fail 4. I saw a coach who let scrubs like Joey Galloway and Roydell Williams play. Fail 5.

Actually the d did create more T O s

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

To me this sums up Mike Shanahan year one. He came in and changed a defense around cause HE thinks it would cause more turnovers. Fail 1. I saw a coach who let his son run the offense when he's suppose to be one of the best playcallers. Fail 2. I saw a coach who did a piss poor job communicating with the players. Fail 3. I saw a coach who made some bad personel moves. Fail 4. I saw a coach who let scrubs like Joey Galloway and Roydell Williams play. Fail 5.

-They went from 28th in the league in takeaway/giveaway differential to 19th.

-Kyle S didn't suddenly forget how to coach up an offense, the talent simply wasn't there.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

-They went from 28th in the league in takeaway/giveaway differential to 19th.

-Kyle S didn't suddenly forget how to coach up an offense, the talent simply wasn't there.

The defense may have caused more turnovers but it was a piss poor until that couldn't adjust and had guys playing out of position. We'll see how it shakes out next year.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

To me this sums up Mike Shanahan year one. He came in and changed a defense around cause HE thinks it would cause more turnovers. Fail 1. I saw a coach who let his son run the offense when he's suppose to be one of the best playcallers. Fail 2. I saw a coach who did a piss poor job communicating with the players. Fail 3. I saw a coach who made some bad personel moves. Fail 4. I saw a coach who let scrubs like Joey Galloway and Roydell Williams play. Fail 5.

Did you really expect Shanahan and company to come in and take a 4-12 team to the playoffs this year? Really?

I see a coaching staff that made some mistakes, yeah, but I also saw a coaching staff who came in and has established some discipline. I didn't like how Shanny handled the situation with McNabb, but overall, I believe the team is in the right direction. And, before you say anything about Kansas City turning things around in one year, there is a big difference. That team was a much younger team and it was Matt Cassel's second year in KC.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Did you really expect Shanahan and company to come in and take a 4-12 team to the playoffs this year? Really?

I see a coaching staff that made some mistakes, yeah, but I also saw a coaching staff who came in and has established some discipline. I didn't like how Shanny handled the situation with McNabb, but overall, I believe the team is in the right direction. And, before you say anything about Kansas City turning things around in one year, there is a big difference. That team was a much younger team and it was Matt Cassel's second year in KC.

Which is to say that essentially they didn't turn it around in 1 year, they have been buidling in the draft, particularly on D, and those players started to produce. M. Cassel in his 2nd year, maybe McNabb will have similar success in year 2?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

To me this sums up Mike Shanahan year one. He came in and changed a defense around cause HE thinks it would cause more turnovers. Fail 1. I saw a coach who let his son run the offense when he's suppose to be one of the best playcallers. Fail 2. I saw a coach who did a piss poor job communicating with the players. Fail 3. I saw a coach who made some bad personel moves. Fail 4. I saw a coach who let scrubs like Joey Galloway and Roydell Williams play. Fail 5.

It was one year where the team started the year seriously messed up due to years of incompetence, and all the points have been fairly hashed over.

1 - Shanahan switched to 3-4 hybrid because he felt it offered more in terms of turnovers we won at least 2 games (dallas and chicago specifically) due to turnovers. And if the change was going to take place better to do it and see who can adapt and who can't.

2 - Kyle Shanahan was the OC and had done a good job in Houston as playcaller. If MS was interfering with KS people would have criticized him for that.

3 - Actually a lot of the blue collar (non-diva) players constantly said how MS was doing a great job laying out the rules and expectations clearly.

4 - yeah and he made some good ones too. You take the good with the bad.

5 - I saw a coach who let young talent sit and learn behind established professionals until he thought they were ready to take the field based on their practice and work ethic.

Bottomline I give him a C this year, but the important measure will be how the team responds and plays next year.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

It was one year where the team started the year seriously messed up due to years of incompetence, and all the points have been fairly hashed over.

1 - Shanahan switched to 3-4 hybrid because he felt it offered more in terms of turnovers we won at least 2 games (dallas and chicago specifically) due to turnovers. And if the change was going to take place better to do it and see who can adapt and who can't.

2 - Kyle Shanahan was the OC and had done a good job in Houston as playcaller. If MS was interfering with KS people would have criticized him for that.

3 - Actually a lot of the blue collar (non-diva) players constantly said how MS was doing a great job laying out the rules and expectations clearly.

4 - yeah and he made some good ones too. You take the good with the bad.

5 - I saw a coach who let young talent sit and learn behind established professionals until he thought they were ready to take the field based on their practice and work ethic.

Bottomline I give him a C this year, but the important measure will be how the team responds and plays next year.

All good arguments, but it's not like teams don't get turnovers in a 4-3.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

All good arguments, but it's not like teams don't get turnovers in a 4-3.

We didn't!

[skinsfaninok]

I guess this is Diss MS week

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[SirClintonPortis]

"Established professionals" is the most BS excuse ever, especially with regards to vet starters. If anything, backup players are better mentors than has-been stars who haven't taken a bit of humble pie.

McNabb is the master of doublespeak. Almost everything he says, he means the opposite.
Galloway? Leader, mentor, or just the go route one-trick pony?
Kemo: Done like a burnt pizza yet the whole coaching staff was taken in by his mirage? What the hell?
LJ: Gave mediocre effort against scrubs yet that was good enough to merit a roster spot? Just admit that he's another Ron Dayne Shanahan brought in.