2013 Free Agents

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

Skinzman, you say Charles is their best player. Are you forgetting about Bowe and Alex Smith? Smith is probably the most underrated QB in the history of the game. The Chiefs definitely upped the 49ers on that trade.

No I dont consider Alex Smith to be better than Charles. Bowe you may have a case for, but Alex Smith? Alex Smith is also not the most underrated QB in history. He was a number 1 overall who has been outplayed his entire career by other QB's drafted that same year. How is that underrated? He is a game manager that has yet to show that he can put a team on his shoulders other than a rare game or two.

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

J. Charles will do fine in Andy's system. He is not a pounder who gets the majority of his yards between the tackles. He is more of a breakaway threat and Reid's system will let him operate in space more. I think - if he remains healthy - Charles is in for a big year next season.

To have success in that system, wouldnt he need to carry the ball more than 10 times a game? Charles better hope Reid developed an understanding of the run game after being fired by Philly, or Charles better love getting his production on screen passes.

[JoeRedskin]

J. Charles will do fine in Andy's system. He is not a pounder who gets the majority of his yards between the tackles. He is more of a breakaway threat and Reid's system will let him operate in space more. I think - if he remains healthy - Charles is in for a big year next season.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

J. Charles will do fine in Andy's system. He is not a pounder who gets the majority of his yards between the tackles. He is more of a breakaway threat and Reid's system will let him operate in space more. I think - if he remains healthy - Charles is in for a big year next season.

Agreed. I expect J.Charles to have a career year catching the ball as he becomes KC's version of Brian Westbrook.

[CultBrennan59]

sidenote

Our buddies the Eagles reportedly want Winston as their RT for Chip Kellys scheme.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

sidenote

Our buddies the Eagles reportedly want Winston as their RT for Chip Kellys scheme.

In everyone's opinions, which would be worse, Winston to Philly or Dallas?

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

In everyone's opinions, which would be worse, Winston to Philly or Dallas?

Dallas.

Only teams so far according to PFT to talk to Winston are Houston (makes sense) and Philly. Last year Miami called. Dallas may call. We Better call (again)

[NC_Skins]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...nsive-tackles/


PFF's ranking of UFA OT players.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Dallas.

Only teams so far according to PFT to talk to Winston are Houston (makes sense) and Philly. Last year Miami called. Dallas may call. We Better call (again)

Winston doesn't make sense for us for a couple of reasons:

1) primarily salary, we are not in a position to pay top 5 money to a RT right now.

2) although Polumbus was less than stellar, we succeeded in having a successful attack to all parts of the field.

3) at 30, while not old, he isn't "young" either, and this draft will have RT's to develop.

4) speaking of developing, we have brought in several OL, and MS is big on OL stability. Bringing in a high to overpaid star power player, regardless of his ability, doesn't add to the cohesive group mentality MS creates

5) personally, the whole we gotta get player x, is the leftover mentality from the bad days. If we bring him in at a reasonable deal, great, but that won't happen, because he isn't looking for a reasonable deal. He wants the dollars. No fault on him, just saying that we don't do business that way anymore.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Winston doesn't make sense for us for a couple of reasons:

1) primarily salary, we are not in a position to pay top 5 money to a RT right now.

2) although Polumbus was less than stellar, we succeeded in having a successful attack to all parts of the field.

3) at 30, while not old, he isn't "young" either, and this draft will have RT's to develop.

4) speaking of developing, we have brought in several OL, and MS is big on OL stability. Bringing in a high to overpaid star power player, regardless of his ability, doesn't add to the cohesive group mentality MS creates

5) personally, the whole we gotta get player x, is the leftover mentality from the bad days. If we bring him in at a reasonable deal, great, but that won't happen, because he isn't looking for a reasonable deal. He wants the dollars. No fault on him, just saying that we don't do business that way anymore.

1) Yes, true, you hope he goes for the championship/good team and not for the money, again.

2) Polumbus, as I've mentioned before, didn't even rank in the top 35 RTs. Think about that one for a second. Winston, ranked 3rd and is a fit with this offense.

3) True

4) I wouldn't say we have stability at RT, at all. You're about 4/5ths correct. MS is not happy with the RT position. This is known throughout other insiders.

5) True, but every once in a while you come across a player that fits almost too pefectly or makes too much sense. Let me kind of flip this question on you. Would you want to draft a guy you have no idea how he'd hold up in the pros, or would you go with the guy who is known by the coaches (Kyle Shanahan) and is known to fit an immediate need and you know what he's going to do against other pros? Its not like we're asking a lineman from another scheme which none of our coaches have no experience with (example Ghosder Cherilus) to come here and ''see what happens''.

Eric Winston supposedly dominated Von Miller last year, and I don't need to get into how great a player Von is.

[CRedskinsRule]

I get that Winston is one of the Best, AH was one of the best, many others were one of the best, but RT is not worth putting a big chunk of cap space towards. My point with Polumbus is not that he should be the guy, but that even a moderately priced FA/rookie combination should do wonders, and it's not worth breaking the bank for a top 5 RT.

With that said, if we cut Hall, and save his money could we have a shot at NA to replace Hall. This is a case where you could cut Hall, save his money and with a viable contract pay less money for a better CB, assuming we use him more to his talents.

[theJBexperience]

It looks like one of our Free Agent targets could be staying put:
Buffalo Bills negotiating to re-sign Leodis McKelvin, according to agent - ESPN

[Mahons21]

Reading that Eric Winston can be signed as early as this evening, because he was cut.

What are people's opinion on him?

-He's obviously a fit for the scheme and can play at a high level, but does he still have the desire?

-I believe he's 30 now, so that comes into play too.

-What are the teams feelings on Tom straight outta Compton and Polumbus? Polumbus was descent in run support, but god awful in pass-pro, is that something that can be improved upon this offseason, or is he just too slow?

Personally I think I would steer clear, and just draft another T in the mid rounds to push the current RTs.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Mahons21

Reading that Eric Winston can be signed as early as this evening, because he was cut.

What are people's opinion on him?

-He's obviously a fit for the scheme and can play at a high level, but does he still have the desire?

-I believe he's 30 now, so that comes into play too.

-What are the teams feelings on Tom straight outta Compton and Polumbus? Polumbus was descent in run support, but god awful in pass-pro, is that something that can be improved upon this offseason, or is he just too slow?

Personally I think I would steer clear, and just draft another T in the mid rounds to push the current RTs.

Winston is legit, Compton is coming along but probably not a starter, Polumbus needs to go now. Winston is gonna be a good value starter

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Winston is legit, Compton is coming along but probably not a starter, Polumbus needs to go now. Winston is gonna be a good value starter

I don't know where you get value starter from? He's going to get top 5 RT money. That's not value as I see it. That being said, I would love to find a way to still get him in a Skins uniform. He was interviewed on Sirius XM NFL Radio this morning and made it sound like money will still be a big factor but looking at a team that can contend will be important too. Climb on the RGIII express Mr. Winston.

Don't forget to tweet to him about joining the skins!!

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

I don't know where you get value starter from? He's going to get top 5 RT money. That's not value as I see it. That being said, I would love to find a way to still get him in a Skins uniform. He was interviewed on Sirius XM NFL Radio this morning and made it sound like money will still be a big factor but looking at a team that can contend will be important too. Climb on the RGIII express Mr. Winston.

Don't forget to tweet to him about joining the skins!!

value as in what he will cost vs how he will perform. He will probably out perform his cap number at RT. Rated #3 RT for the Chiefs and has already excelled in ZBS.