Iran Supplying Weapons to Iraq?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Well, I don't think all successes or failures of any presidency are entirely on that president. However, there are some markers, if you will, that we can always point to and say what they did well or bad.

During Clinton's presidency, for instance, he inheirted a huge deficit, turned it into a surplus, and we're back to running a deficit now.

Yes but congress passes the spending bills not the president but he was president at that time so credit does go to him. He was also president when 600 died from a heat wave in Chicago but unlike Bush and Katrina he never got any heat from the press for not doing anything.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Clinton is like Ramsey and Arrington....he simply won't disappear from thewarpath.

[dmek25]

you are what you are. the economy, the middle east, and the deficit are among the things that history will look favorable towards bill Clinton's tenure. a huge deficit, a disaster in the middle east, and a downward spiraling economy will headline Bush's 2 terms. and the idiotic statement comparing 600 dead in Chicago, when the entire country was being brutalized by extreme heat, to the fiasco in New Orleans doesn't really measure as a good comparison

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by dmek25

you are what you are. the economy, the middle east, and the deficit are among the things that history will look favorable towards bill Clinton's tenure. a huge deficit, a disaster in the middle east, and a downward spiraling economy will headline Bush's 2 terms. and the idiotic statement comparing 600 dead in Chicago, when the entire country was being brutalized by extreme heat, to the fiasco in New Orleans doesn't really measure as a good comparison

Exactly.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

you are what you are. the economy, the middle east, and the deficit are among the things that history will look favorable towards bill Clinton's tenure. a huge deficit, a disaster in the middle east, and a downward spiraling economy will headline Bush's 2 terms. and the idiotic statement comparing 600 dead in Chicago, when the entire country was being brutalized by extreme heat, to the fiasco in New Orleans doesn't really measure as a good comparison

Middle east he ignored, did we forget about our sailors who were attacked and killed in port, the two embassy buildings bombed, and the first twin towers bombing by terrorist. Then we could mention the time that Bin Laden was offered to Clinton by the Sudaness which he turned down. Thats favorable for Clinton?

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Middle east he ignored, did we forget about our sailors who were attacked and killed in port, the two embassy buildings bombed, and the first twin towers bombing by terrorist. Then we could mention the time that Bin Laden was offered to Clinton by the Sudaness which he turned down. Thats favorable for Clinton?

bill clinton knew what the definition of politics was. sometimes you have to swallow some losses in one place to accomplish something later on down the road. and saying bin laden was offered to clinton is great hindsight. and maybe regan should have took better care of who he sold illegal arms to? with clinton in office, the middle east was about as stable as its probably ever going to be. and this president seems to think strongarming our opposition will get them to lay down and obey. i guess he is starting to see otherwise.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by dmek25

bill clinton knew what the definition of politics was. sometimes you have to swallow some losses in one place to accomplish something later on down the road. and saying bin laden was offered to clinton is great hindsight. and maybe regan should have took better care of who he sold illegal arms to? with clinton in office, the middle east was about as stable as its probably ever going to be. and this president seems to think strongarming our opposition will get them to lay down and obey. i guess he is starting to see otherwise.

It's interesting you say that about Clinton. I think some still see him as a political force.

If Hillary wins, some have suggested Bill would make a good Secretary of State in her cabinet.

I definitely think he would have handled the Iraq situation differently.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

bill clinton knew what the definition of politics was. sometimes you have to swallow some losses in one place to accomplish something later on down the road. and saying bin laden was offered to clinton is great hindsight. and maybe regan should have took better care of who he sold illegal arms to? with clinton in office, the middle east was about as stable as its probably ever going to be. and this president seems to think strongarming our opposition will get them to lay down and obey. i guess he is starting to see otherwise.

How is the offering of Bin Ladin hine site he was a known leader of the terrorist world who said he would kill us?

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by firstdown

How is the offering of Bin Ladin hine site he was a known leader of the terrorist world who said he would kill us?

wasn't bin laden part of al quaeda that the united states armed to try and take out Afghanistan? i wonder who was president then?

[Hail2theskins]

Originally Posted by dmek25

bill clinton knew what the definition of politics was. sometimes you have to swallow some losses in one place to accomplish something later on down the road. and saying bin laden was offered to clinton is great hindsight. and maybe regan should have took better care of who he sold illegal arms to? with clinton in office, the middle east was about as stable as its probably ever going to be. and this president seems to think strongarming our opposition will get them to lay down and obey. i guess he is starting to see otherwise.

Youve got to be kidding me right? because he chose to ignore the situation during his tenure and the media never portrayed it by no means made the middle east stable. After failing to deal with the actions of Bush sr. Iraq was hung out to dry by the clinton administration. The guy was a good politician he just chose not to intervene in pretty much anything whatsoever, IE rwanda... People hate us just because we are a world power, everyone wants it both ways, to use rwanda as example, everyone got pissed at us that we didnt go in, however had we decided to go in and intervene everyone wouldve been telling us to stick to our own business, theres going to be naysayers for whatever argument there is and thats a fact. You can look at all of this in history too, funny how it repeats itself, if we have a policy of neutrality and isolationism people think we need to get involved, IE WW1, but if we have a policy of intervention and playing "world police" people hate us too, IE, vietnam (just an example dont ream me for that). Everyone has 20/20 hindsight, the hard part is trying to estimate the future. Im not bashing clinton or any administration im simply trying to get across the point that you can never make everyone happy.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Hail2theskins

Youve got to be kidding me right? because he chose to ignore the situation during his tenure and the media never portrayed it by no means made the middle east stable. After failing to deal with the actions of Bush sr. Iraq was hung out to dry by the clinton administration. The guy was a good politician he just chose not to intervene in pretty much anything whatsoever, IE rwanda... People hate us just because we are a world power, everyone wants it both ways, to use rwanda as example, everyone got pissed at us that we didnt go in, however had we decided to go in and intervene everyone wouldve been telling us to stick to our own business, theres going to be naysayers for whatever argument there is and thats a fact. You can look at all of this in history too, funny how it repeats itself, if we have a policy of neutrality and isolationism people think we need to get involved, IE WW1, but if we have a policy of intervention and playing "world police" people hate us too, IE, vietnam (just an example dont ream me for that). Everyone has 20/20 hindsight, the hard part is trying to estimate the future. Im not bashing clinton or any administration im simply trying to get across the point that you can never make everyone happy.

I remember he intervened but I can't remember where. The movie was made Black Hawk Down.

[AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace]

I'm not sure Kerry would have done a better job though...it truly was a Giant Douche vs. A Turd sandwich. As a result, I and many others, voted for neither. Although I will say, I think Kerry was smarter than Bush.

[12thMan]

Maybe Bush should have ignored the middle east too.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Maybe Bush should have ignored the middle east too.

What so we could keep letting these people attack us? That was done once.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

What so we could keep letting these people attack us? That was done once.

What people? And since when were they in Iraq?