Iran Supplying Weapons to Iraq?

[dmek25]

coming from fox, can you really believe that poll? its getting harder and harder to believe anything in the media

[dmek25]

and why in the world do they have Donald trump and Rosie in the same poll?

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

As others have pointed out GTripp, that was a really nice post. But, I think that whether you agreed or disagreed with the decision to go to war in Iraq, that mess is squarely on G.W.'s shoulders.

On a somewhat related point, I ran across an interesting Fox News poll (yes, Fox News). In it Respondents are asked whether they want Bush's plan for Iraq to fail and a resounding 34% of Democrats said "Yes." Why on earth would you want (as opposed to expect) the plan to fail? I'm a Dem-leaning independent, but that kind of stuff makes me want to puke and join the Repubs. Click on the link and look at question #21 http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/...xnewspoll.pdf.

You have to wonder in "who's head does that make sense"?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I don't care if they're hypocritical when they're doing things that protect our troops.

If they get mad at Iran for supplying bombs that might kill our troops, I'm OK with that. I'm also OK with it if they have supplied technology/equipment in the past if it meant that it weakened our enemies in the past.

If Iran is going to do this crap, it's an act of war in my opinion. I think we ought to be thinking about launching some long range missile strikes from our ships in the gulf at all of their military installations and potential nuclear facilities.

then are we at war with russia and france for supplying iraq with military gear illegally? are we at war in africa, where we recently (within the last month) supplied an army with air support and training to fight the muslim army that had control there? should they start packing bags booking flight to come here and blow things up because of our "act of war"? that's a pretty broad definition there, and we don't have nearly enough draft-eligible troops to maintain that.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

i think its hysterical that everything that is wrong with America is always, somehow bill Clinton's fault. and the demos had the same info, but the difference is now that they realize they were wrong, they are trying to fix it. not being a cement head, like bush, and refusing to take blame, admitting mistakes, and trying to fix the problem

If you read my post again I just listed people, country's, and the UN as one's who said that they WMD's. I never said any thing about any ones fault or blame. I just thought you need to call all of them liers if your saying Bush lied. Bush has admitted to mistakes I think you just disagree on what he is doing to change things (adding more troops). I would also like to know what the Dems. are doing to fix the problem?

[That Guy]

what if they found WMDs and they had US Army stamped on them, from when we helped them in the 80s?

not saying i think it's true, but an interesting thought.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by That Guy

what if they found WMDs and they had US Army stamped on them, from when we helped them in the 80s?

not saying i think it's true, but an interesting thought.

I actually thought that something more ironic and tragic would happen after we invaded Iraq, namely that some explosives from Iraq would be used in a terrorist attack against the U.S. at home or somewhere outside of Iraq. A friend of mine came back from Iraq, where he served in the Army in an EOD unit, and told me that the place was littered with millions of tons of military-grade explosives that couldn't be secured by our forces. You can buy an RPG for $100 on the black market there. Crazy stuff.

[AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace]

I honestly don't think we've had a decent president in over a decade...I'm so disillusioned about the whole process, but as far as Iran goes, we don't have the man power to go in there right now without a draft. We would have to use nuclear weapons in an open war. I hope the administration considers this. Lets also think back over the past 20 to 30 years. As much as I hate to say it, we chose sides (Isreal) and now we have to pay the consequences. I'm in no way condoning the actions of radical islamic nations, just merely pointing out that we have a hand in our own problems. We also supplied weapons to Iraq, and have a history of exagurating intelligence for our own purposes (Vietnam anyone? Spanish American War?). If Iranians are coming over the border...they need to be accounted for. Its too late to give up on Iraq, but I wish we had just left well enough alone in the region. The best way to deal with the problem in my opinion is to find a legitimate alternative fuel source so we wouldn't be dependent on those scum bags.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace

I honestly don't think we've had a decent president in over a decade...I'm so disillusioned about the whole process, but as far as Iran goes, we don't have the man power to go in there right now without a draft. We would have to use nuclear weapons in an open war. I hope the administration considers this. Lets also think back over the past 20 to 30 years. As much as I hate to say it, we chose sides (Isreal) and now we have to pay the consequences. I'm in no way condoning the actions of radical islamic nations, just merely pointing out that we have a hand in our own problems. We also supplied weapons to Iraq, and have a history of exagurating intelligence for our own purposes (Vietnam anyone? Spanish American War?). If Iranians are coming over the border...they need to be accounted for. Its too late to give up on Iraq, but I wish we had just left well enough alone in the region. The best way to deal with the problem in my opinion is to find a legitimate alternative fuel source so we wouldn't be dependent on those scum bags.

You didn't think Clinton was a good Prez?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I would also like to know what the Dems. are doing to fix the problem?

This is one of the biggest reasons why I don't think I can vote democratic in the '08 elections (I'm relatively moderate, tend to be a swing voter).

The Democrats are so busy saying "I told you so" to President Bush, so busy saying you should have done this, you should have done that. So busy that they haven't been able to come up with a solution worth a crap.

I am a forward thinker. I don't care how we got in this friggin mess. I care how we're going to get out of it. If we can learn lessons from our past mistakes, great. But we still need a plan going forward. Eff all the political bickering; if you're not coming up with a solution, you're part of the effing problem.

[AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

You didn't think Clinton was a good Prez?

no, granted, he didn't actively mess things up like some would suggest Bush did, but I still wouldn't call him a good president. In my opinion he took credit for things that weren't entirely his doing. Trust me though, I'm not a Republican, although I would call myself conservative.

[AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

This is one of the biggest reasons why I don't think I can vote democratic in the '08 elections (I'm relatively moderate, tend to be a swing voter).

The Democrats are so busy saying "I told you so" to President Bush, so busy saying you should have done this, you should have done that. So busy that they haven't been able to come up with a solution worth a crap.

I am a forward thinker. I don't care how we got in this friggin mess. I care how we're going to get out of it. If we can learn lessons from our past mistakes, great. But we still need a plan going forward. Eff all the political bickering; if you're not coming up with a solution, you're part of the effing problem.

I think we can greatly end the political bickering by getting rid of career politicians. Once there's no re-election, people won't spend all their time trying to say what people want to hear. TERM LIMITS!!!!!

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace

no, granted, he didn't actively mess things up like some would suggest Bush did, but I still wouldn't call him a good president. In my opinion he took credit for things that weren't entirely his doing. Trust me though, I'm not a Republican, although I would call myself conservative.

Well, I don't think all successes or failures of any presidency are entirely on that president. However, there are some markers, if you will, that we can always point to and say what they did well or bad.

During Clinton's presidency, for instance, he inheirted a huge deficit, turned it into a surplus, and we're back to running a deficit now.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Well, I don't think all successes or failures of any presidency are entirely on that president. However, there are some markers, if you will, that we can always point to and say what they did well or bad.

During Clinton's presidency, for instance, he inheirted a huge deficit, turned it into a surplus, and we're back to running a deficit now.

Yes he inherited a recovering econmoy on the cusp of a period of growth unseen before and watched as tax coffers exploded with money that allowed him to end up positive. Bush got a waning economy and decided to cut taxes as well and now we have war that costs a lot of money and less taxes both by natural occurence and tax cuts. I like tax cuts but they should be met with spending cuts also. I don't give either prez any credit for performance on economy as they have very little if any effect on it. It is one the greatest myths in this country in terms of politics. Our economy runs itself. MAYBE tax cuts help a tiny bit to spur growth but that is questionable. Clinton didn't do anything that could be considered effecting the economy. Not a knock on him but just an observation.

[AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Yes he inherited a recovering econmoy on the cusp of a period of growth unseen before and watched as tax coffers exploded with money that allowed him to end up positive. Bush got a waning economy and decided to cut taxes as well and now we have war that costs a lot of money and less taxes both by natural occurence and tax cuts. I like tax cuts but they should be met with spending cuts also. I don't give either prez any credit for performance on economy as they have very little if any effect on it. It is one the greatest myths in this country in terms of politics. Our economy runs itself. MAYBE tax cuts help a tiny bit to spur growth but that is questionable. Clinton didn't do anything that could be considered effecting the economy. Not a knock on him but just an observation.

great point...many presidents try to take credit for the economy, when in reality it runs itself...and is cyclical