Updated:At Least 33 Dead in Va. Tech Shooting

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

From what I have heard from some initial reports is that the shootings were un-related, and the first guy is in custody.

There's a lot of mis-information out there... So it's really impossible to judge what when on right now.

What the local news is reporting is that the shooter killed himself and that there was only one shooter. They also reported that students were jumping out of the windows to get away from the shooter. There is also currently 29 others who are in the various regional hospitals being treated for gunshot wounds and other wounds related to today's event. They have also said that it was actually 31 people, including the shooter who died today, and not 32. So, there is a total of nearly 60 people killed or wounded.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by Big C

cancel class after the first murder, not wait around like a dumb university. as far as im concerned the university bear some responsability. if they cancel class, many more people are probably still alive.

Any idea when those classes started? If it was an early class like 8:00 then students are already in the classroom. Once the school is in lockdown don't you have to remain in the classroom until your building is cleared by security.

[FRPLG]

For some reason I don't think discussing the the state of the mental health laws and gun control laws is what we should be dojng at this point. Maybe tomorrow but for ow I think we should stick to the news and prayers. We can argue over causation tomorrow.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

For some reason I don't think discussing the the state of the mental health laws and gun control laws is what we should be dojng at this point. Maybe tomorrow but for ow I think we should stick to the news and prayers. We can argue over causation tomorrow.

good call

[skinsfan_nn]

What a shame, this is a senseless tragedy. May GOD be with all the families and students during this horrible time.

May GOD BLESS YOU ALL

[12thMan]

Just to echo earlier sentiments, this probably isn't the best time to really talk about governement, guns, mental health, etc. Just out of respect to the victims and families and students of VaTech.

My bad.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Just to echo earlier sentiments, this probably isn't the best time to really talk about governement, guns, mental health, etc. Just out of respect to the victims and families and students of VaTech.

My bad.

I personally don't see anything wrong with it. I don't see how talking about ways to prevent tragedies like these is at all disrespectful to the dead. If anything, it shows a great appreciation for human life in general; we're talking about the best way to prevent senseless deaths like these. I don't know a better way to honor their lives.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I personally don't see anything wrong with it. I don't see how talking about ways to prevent tragedies like these is at all disrespectful to the dead. If anything, it shows a great appreciation for human life in general; we're talking about the best way to prevent senseless deaths like these. I don't know a better way to honor their lives.

Well, it's not a matter of right or wrong. It's just a matter of being sensitive, that's all.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Well, it's not a matter of right or wrong. It's just a matter of being sensitive, that's all.

Well, to each his own. But I remember the "who's fault is this" discussions starting on the national news programs the very night of the Columbine shooting.

I don't think anyone's being insensitive at all. Talking about what happened and ways to prevent it does not preclude you from feeling sorrow and mourning the loss of these innocent college kids.

Let's all relax, nobody's going to hang you for expressing your opinion too early.

[Bushead]

Throwing out prayers from VCU! Thinking of you Hokies

[Schneed10]

As for the mental illness factor and who should be held responsible, I don't think it's a question so much of "who" as it is "how."

We can argue over who is responsible for keeping guns out of the hands of the crazy, or who is responsible for diagnosing the crazy and keeping them under close watch, or who is responsible for taking their crazy pills. But the real question is how the hell is any policy you set forth going to prevent the occasional nutjob from slipping through the cracks?

Ban guns? Someone determined will buy one on the black market.

Make it real easy for sane people to carry guns to stop the crazies? More accidental gun deaths. And how can you ensure the sane people who now own guns won't go crazy in the future.

Lock up anyone diagnosed as bipolar, paranoid shizophrenia, severe depression, or rage disorders? Pretty unfair to the mentally ill who just want to get back to a healthy state of mind. And how would you do this cost effectively?

Ramp up security at schools? What about offices? How much are you going to spend doing this?

It sucks, but sometimes shit just happens. I can't think of a policy that will help here.

[mooby]

My thoughts and prayers go out to anyone who was affected by this tragedy. It is pretty wild that VT wouldn't at least cancel the classes so students could get the hell out of there before they got killed. For the killer to get away with that many shootings shows just how much work school security systems need in this country.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by mooby

My thoughts and prayers go out to anyone who was affected by this tragedy. It is pretty wild that VT wouldn't at least cancel the classes so students could get the hell out of there before they got killed. For the killer to get away with that many shootings shows just how much work school security systems need in this country.

I agree on the cancelling classes bit.

But what are you going to do to ramp up security? Put armed guards everywhere? Attack dogs? Metal detectors with guards there to operate them?

How would you feel if your tuition went up $5000 a year because of new security measures? A lot of people can't afford college education as it is. Do you start jacking up the cost on everyone because one extremely tragic incident took place?

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I agree on the cancelling classes bit.

But what are you going to do to ramp up security? Put armed guards everywhere? Attack dogs? Metal detectors with guards there to operate them?

How would you feel if your tuition went up $5000 a year because of new security measures? A lot of people can't afford college education as it is. Do you start jacking up the cost on everyone because one extremely tragic incident took place?

Unfortunately, that is what this world is coming to. There are already heightened security measures in high schools and elementary schools, it is only a matter of time that the same will happen in colleges.

[BigSKINBauer]

The news is making it look really chaotic. How is the campus coping right now big C? I've heard people are just sitting in their dorms and not really going anywhere.