I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.

[NC_Skins]

Ok, so what if the team loses and gets that #2 pick and selects their "franchise QB"?

What happens if the players you were expecting to come out do not come out and you openly root the team to lose for nothing?


What happens in 5 years if said "franchise QB" ends up a bust? Do you continue hoping your team loses to get another chance at a "franchise QB"?


What happens after you get your "franchise QB"? Do you hope they lose so you can get a "franchise WR" the following year? You know, you'll have to be in the top 5 again to get a calibur guy like AJ Green or Calvin Johson.

Fan's guide to building the Washington Redskins.

2011: Tank season for "Franchise QB" in 2012.
2012: Tank season for "Franchise WR" in 2013.
2013: Tank season for "Franchise MLB" in 2014.
2014: Tank season for "Franchise Safety" in 2015.
2015: Tank season for "Franchise DL" in 2016.

Yup, we are well on our way to being competitive with this formula!!!


To openly hope your team loses to better your shot at a chance on a player that you don't even know is going to be in the draft is beyond ludicrous. It's pathetic.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Ok, so what if the team loses and gets that #2 pick and selects their "franchise QB"?

What happens if the players you were expecting to come out do not come out and you openly root the team to lose for nothing?


What happens in 5 years if said "franchise QB" ends up a bust? Do you continue hoping your team loses to get another chance at a "franchise QB"?


What happens after you get your "franchise QB"? Do you hope they lose so you can get a "franchise WR" the following year? You know, you'll have to be in the top 5 again to get a calibur guy like AJ Green or Calvin Johson.

Fan's guide to building the Washington Redskins.

2011: Tank season for "Franchise QB" in 2012.
2012: Tank season for "Franchise WR" in 2013.
2013: Tank season for "Franchise MLB" in 2014.
2014: Tank season for "Franchise Safety" in 2015.
2015: Tank season for "Franchise DL" in 2016.

Yup, we are well on our way to being competitive with this formula!!!


To openly hope your team loses to better your shot at a chance on a player that you don't even know is going to be in the draft is beyond ludicrous. It's pathetic.

CultBrennan is secretly a Cowboys fan (I've been saying that for years), that's the problem.

I kid of course (or am I?). At the end of the day, while we must have a QB, tanking is not the only way to do it. This isn't Vinny running the show, I trust our FO to find a way.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

I can't believe that we beat the Seahawks. I was routing against the Redskins with everything I had. We have a chance to get a great QB like Mat Barkley and we blow it. I am a season ticket holder, I have seats in the lower level 9th row, on th 5 yard line. I will give them up if they dont get an aceptable Quarterback. I just cant watch this crap anymore. The article in the examiner summed it up best. The Redskins are turning a lost season into a lost draft, by winning.

I'd give up my season tickets quicker if the team gave up.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Fan's guide to building the Washington Redskins.

2011: Tank season for "Franchise QB" in 2012.
2012: Tank season for "Franchise WR" in 2013.
2013: Tank season for "Franchise MLB" in 2014.
2014: Tank season for "Franchise Safety" in 2015.
2015: Tank season for "Franchise DL" in 2016.

Yup, we are well on our way to being competitive with this formula!!!

You forgot to add "let ass clown franchise QB walk in free agency because he didn't win enough games." Which of course is the biggest problem with all of the tanking talk: you never know how good your roster is.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I'd give up my season tickets quicker if the team gave up.

Yeah that sounds good, and makes you tingle inside. But the truthe of the matter is the Redskins have been medicore to bad for 20 years. Most of that is the lack of a franchise QB. Its sucks to go to the stadium and see the fans leave at halh time. As far as I am concerned the can tank every season until they get a franchise QB. All anyone has to do is look at the Colts. They go from 13 wins every year to none. They go from have low sacks on their QB, to horrible. All their recievers look worse than ours now. There defense sucks. One guy makes that much difference. Yeah, we need a QB, and you have to do what ever it takes to get one. If you draft one and he sucks you try again and again till you get one. I have been saying this same thing since I became a blogger here.

[Hog1]

I am confident there will be some QB activity on the Skins this off season. Not sure if Shan can get his dream QB depending on logistics in the draft.....BUT I expect them to be relentless in trying to make that happen in the draft and FA period. IF they cannot get their.....guy, they can get a better bridge solution than we currently have.
HOWEVER there are many holes still to be plugged and the rebuilding process is far from over. The first round pick may be better served on another scenario.....depending.
HTTR

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Hog1

I am confident there will be some QB activity on the Skins this off season. Not sure if Shan can get his dream QB depending on logistics in the draft.....BUT I expect them to be relentless in trying to make that happen in the draft and FA period. IF they cannot get their.....guy, they can get a better bridge solution than we currently have.
HOWEVER there are many holes still to be plugged and the rebuilding process is far from over. The first round pick may be better served on another scenario.....depending.
HTTR

The fact is that we do have alot of missing pieces and I'm sure we'll try like hell to get the QB MS wants, but like you said, the pick could be better served elsewhere w/ all of our needs. It's still going to be a process and we won't be there by the start of 2012 season. We should be better, but it is rebuilding and will take some time.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Yeah that sounds good, and makes you tingle inside. But the truthe of the matter is the Redskins have been medicore to bad for 20 years. Most of that is the lack of a franchise QB. Its sucks to go to the stadium and see the fans leave at halh time. As far as I am concerned the can tank every season until they get a franchise QB. All anyone has to do is look at the Colts. They go from 13 wins every year to none. They go from have low sacks on their QB, to horrible. All their recievers look worse than ours now. There defense sucks. One guy makes that much difference. Yeah, we need a QB, and you have to do what ever it takes to get one. If you draft one and he sucks you try again and again till you get one. I have been saying this same thing since I became a blogger here.

The Colts didn't plan well. Their whole team was built on "how ever many points you score, we have Peyton Manning so we can score more"

I agree that a QB is extremely important, but the Colts are a poor argument in my opinion

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The Colts didn't plan well. Their whole team was built on "how ever many points you score, we have Peyton Manning so we can score more"

I agree that a QB is extremely important, but the Colts are a poor argument in my opinion

They are the perfect arguement, because they are the extreme example. You said it. They could score as points as they wanted to, because of their QB. The Colts are the extreme example, because they have had probably the best QB ever, and a crappy team around him for years.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

They are the perfect arguement, because they are the extreme example. You said it. They could score as points as they wanted to, because of their QB. The Colts are the extreme example, because they have had probably the best QB ever, and a crappy team around him for years.

Wouldn't you think it would make more sense to build a solid team around a strong QB so that if Tom Brady goes down Matt Cassell can still lead the team to an 11-5 season or if Aaron Rodgers goes down Matt Flynn can still throw 3 TDs in a competitive game against the Patriots or if Phil Simms goes down, Jeff Hostetler can still guide the Giants to a Super Bowl title?

[MTK]

The Colts are definitely a bad example. Their success revolved 100% around Manning. The D was built to play with a lead. It's insane that you can take away one player, great as he is, and the team is headed for 0-16? Heads are gonna roll for what went down there this year and rightfully so.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The Colts didn't plan well. Their whole team was built on "how ever many points you score, we have Peyton Manning so we can score more"

I agree that a QB is extremely important, but the Colts are a poor argument in my opinion

I get your point, but to say they didn't plan well is a bit harsh. How many 10+ win seasons did they get in a row till this year?

I'd say they did plan well; they built an O that was nearly unstoppable & they got playmakers on D suited to play w/a lead, e.g. Freeney & Mathis. When Bob Sanders was playing well that D was good. If you mean they didn't get a good backup qb, that's true, but it's also hard to keep 2 good qbs due to free agency & cap.

I wouldn't put this decline so much on Peyton, that team's stars are getting old. So if you mean recently they haven't drafted or developed much youth I guess that could be called poor planning. More likely just poor drafting.

[SmootSmack]

Fair points

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Wouldn't you think it would make more sense to build a solid team around a strong QB so that if Tom Brady goes down Matt Cassell can still lead the team to an 11-5 season or if Aaron Rodgers goes down Matt Flynn can still throw 3 TDs in a competitive game against the Patriots or if Phil Simms goes down, Jeff Hostetler can still guide the Giants to a Super Bowl title?

Yeah of course, but you can be great and win a superbowl with a great QB. If Mat Flynn comes in for Aaron Rogers their season is done. He has more int's then touchdowns, and as good as the Patriots did without Brady, they still were not winning the superbowl and infact did not make the playoffs. I am not saying that you should not build a solid team. I am just saying you need a great QB, before you can do this. It is easy to draft 4-6 round Qb's till you find a decent one, when you dont need one.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Yeah that sounds good, and makes you tingle inside. But the truthe of the matter is the Redskins have been medicore to bad for 20 years. Most of that is the lack of a franchise QB. Its sucks to go to the stadium and see the fans leave at halh time. As far as I am concerned the can tank every season until they get a franchise QB. All anyone has to do is look at the Colts. They go from 13 wins every year to none. They go from have low sacks on their QB, to horrible. All their recievers look worse than ours now. There defense sucks. One guy makes that much difference. Yeah, we need a QB, and you have to do what ever it takes to get one. If you draft one and he sucks you try again and again till you get one. I have been saying this same thing since I became a blogger here.

I agree 150%...