Bill B Presents TMC's Pick the Position Poll

GTripp0012 · 12-13-2006, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

Can we please stop with the fantasy of McIntosh playing MLB?

He isn't an MLB and hasn't practiced there at all. Plus he couldn't master the scheme enough to even play in base package until week 13. He isn't going to suddenly master the scheme and be able to QB it. Plus he is a fit at OLB. His talent is wasted at MLB. It is not going to happen. MLB and OLB are not really that similar a position. He could be expected to switch to safety almost as easily as to MLB.

I'd like to bring in London Fletcher on a 2 year, low signing bonus type of deal, and insert him in the middle right away. Rocky can compete with Lemar for PT at the WLB.

MTK · 12-13-2006, 09:14 AM

Williams reportedly held the reins too tight on the defensive line last year and when he finally let them loose that's when we saw guys like Daniels getting good pressure.

Schneed10 · 12-13-2006, 09:25 AM

You can't just cut a DE loose in today's NFL. Just like an overpursuing LB corps is susceptible to cutbacks, pure pass rushing DEs are susceptible to screens and draws. You have to pick your spots to turn the DEs loose, like 3rd and long.

Playing the run well is more important than sacking the QB. Your DEs will get their sacks if you can keep the offense in 3rd and longs all day. See Phillip Daniels in 2005 with 8 sacks. He's pretty average from a speed rushing standpoint, and managed to drum up eight of them.

Now if we can stop the run better on 1st down, we'll have more 3rd and longs. That means more opportunities to release the hounds from the DE spot, and that leads to more sacks.

Carter was disappointing in stopping the run earlier this season, but he has caught on nicely. At no point has he had the opportunities to chase the QB like Dwight Freeney does, so expecting huge sack numbers from him isn't really fair.

onlydarksets · 12-13-2006, 09:43 AM

I was torn between S and CB. Really, anything to help lock down our secondary would be great. Schneed's great posts really clarify why our secondary needs to be solid - we need the CB blitz packages. Maybe that means CB is more important. Anyway, that's what I voted for.

MTK · 12-13-2006, 09:57 AM

We have more pressing needs than MLB.

Monkeydad · 12-13-2006, 01:14 PM

CB by far.

SmootSmack · 12-13-2006, 01:46 PM

I think we have a great shot at Branch (unfortunately) but I think it might be just as good, if not better, to trade down and get a DT (like I said before Okam or Tyler, I doubt Pitcock would be available) and a CB

Bill B · 12-13-2006, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I think we have a great shot at Branch (unfortunately) but I think it might be just as good, if not better, to trade down and get a DT (like I said before Okam or Tyler, I doubt Pitcock would be available) and a CB

Is Okam or Tyler similar in run stopping / physical presence as Branch? - If so it may be better to trade down. One thing about top 10 picks is they do cost a lot and if you miss on them your cap gets hit hard.

SmootSmack · 12-13-2006, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill B

Is Okam or Tyler similar in run stopping / physical presence as Branch? - If so it may be better to trade down. One thing about top 10 picks is they do cost a lot and if you miss on them your cap gets hit hard.

Branch is 6'6", 330 lbs. (I think) and Okam is 6'5", 320 lbs. Tyler is much smaller 6'2", 305 lbs.

GTripp0012 · 12-13-2006, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Branch is 6'6", 330 lbs. (I think) and Okam is 6'5", 320 lbs. Tyler is much smaller 6'2", 305 lbs.

Pitcock is noticeably smaller, but he's got a rep for being a "run stuffing dynamo."

No idea what that means, but thats straight out of Mel Kiper's mouth.

GhettoDogAllStars · 12-13-2006, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Pitcock is noticeably smaller, but he's got a rep for being a "run stuffing dynamo."

No idea what that means, but thats straight out of Mel Kiper's mouth.

Holy sh*t! Run stuffing dynamo?! Get on the phone with that guys agent -- immediately!

It'd be nice to have one of those guys though.

724Skinsfan · 12-13-2006, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Pitcock is noticeably smaller, but he's got a rep for being a "run stuffing dynamo."

No idea what that means, but thats straight out of Mel Kiper's mouth.

Like this Dynamo?

celts32 · 12-13-2006, 02:35 PM

I went DE...CB looked like the biggest problem early on but since Springs has been healthy it has not been as big a problem as our run defense...

The Zimmermans · 12-13-2006, 02:42 PM

Yeah, a DT would be crucial. A big meaty immovable dude would do wonders for our linebacking core on run stopping

ArtMonkDrillz · 12-13-2006, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

A big meaty immovable dude would do wonders for our linebacking core on run stopping

Maybe it's because work has been stressing me out, but that was one of the funniest sentences I've read in a long time.

You're right though. Look what Ngata (?) did for baltimore's D.

View Poll Results: What Position Is Our Most Pressing Need?
CB	42	40.00%
S	5	4.76%
DE	32	30.48%
DT	15	14.29%
LB	8	7.62%
OT	1	0.95%
OG	1	0.95%
K	1	0.95%
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12-13-2006, 09:14 AM	#2
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,121	Re: Bill B Presents TMC's Pick the Position Poll Williams reportedly held the reins too tight on the defensive line last year and when he finally let them loose that's when we saw guys like Daniels getting good pressure. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

12-13-2006, 09:25 AM	#3
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 47 Posts: 12,458	Re: Bill B Presents TMC's Pick the Position Poll You can't just cut a DE loose in today's NFL. Just like an overpursuing LB corps is susceptible to cutbacks, pure pass rushing DEs are susceptible to screens and draws. You have to pick your spots to turn the DEs loose, like 3rd and long. Playing the run well is more important than sacking the QB. Your DEs will get their sacks if you can keep the offense in 3rd and longs all day. See Phillip Daniels in 2005 with 8 sacks. He's pretty average from a speed rushing standpoint, and managed to drum up eight of them. Now if we can stop the run better on 1st down, we'll have more 3rd and longs. That means more opportunities to release the hounds from the DE spot, and that leads to more sacks. Carter was disappointing in stopping the run earlier this season, but he has caught on nicely. At no point has he had the opportunities to chase the QB like Dwight Freeney does, so expecting huge sack numbers from him isn't really fair. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

12-13-2006, 09:43 AM	#4
onlydarksets Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: all up in your business Posts: 2,693	Re: Bill B Presents TMC's Pick the Position Poll I was torn between S and CB. Really, anything to help lock down our secondary would be great. Schneed's great posts really clarify why our secondary needs to be solid - we need the CB blitz packages. Maybe that means CB is more important. Anyway, that's what I voted for.

12-13-2006, 09:57 AM	#5
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,121	Re: Bill B Presents TMC's Pick the Position Poll We have more pressing needs than MLB. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

12-13-2006, 01:14 PM	#6
Monkeydad Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PA Age: 47 Posts: 17,460	Re: Bill B Presents TMC's Pick the Position Poll CB by far.

12-13-2006, 01:46 PM	#7
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Bill B Presents TMC's Pick the Position Poll I think we have a great shot at Branch (unfortunately) but I think it might be just as good, if not better, to trade down and get a DT (like I said before Okam or Tyler, I doubt Pitcock would be available) and a CB __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

12-13-2006, 02:35 PM	#13
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 55 Posts: 2,665	Re: Bill B Presents TMC's Pick the Position Poll I went DE...CB looked like the biggest problem early on but since Springs has been healthy it has not been as big a problem as our run defense... __________________ Section 116 Row 19 “Goal line, goal line. I-left, tight wing, 70 chip on white.” www.facebook.com/HackettstownBeerClub

12-13-2006, 02:42 PM	#14
The Zimmermans Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Woodley Park, Washington DC Age: 42 Posts: 937	Re: Bill B Presents TMC's Pick the Position Poll Yeah, a DT would be crucial. A big meaty immovable dude would do wonders for our linebacking core on run stopping __________________ Dan Snyder is a Cancer, Joe Gibbs is the Cure

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