Does prayer work?

[SUNRA]

I was taught that history is best qualified to answer our questions in the present. I can testify that without my African ancestors who have passed on and prayed for a better future and without those prayers to God there is no way African Americans would be physically freed from bondage which is consistent with all people who have experienced tragedy and triumph.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

I was taught that history is best qualified to answer our questions in the present. I can testify that without my African ancestors who have passed on and prayed for a better future and without those prayers to God there is no way African Americans would be physically freed from bondage which is consistent with all people who have experienced tragedy and triumph.

I am really amazed as why any African American would choose to be a Christian in light of a) what Christianity has to say about slavery and b) the forceful conversion of salves to Christianity.

I give not once cent of credit for the abolishment of slavery to prayer or god. All credit goes to a) Abraham Lincoln for freeing the salves and paying a heavy price for it b) white abolishionists for understanding how wrong slavery was and taking action c) and African Americans both slaves and free men for their struggles to be free.

Old Testament:
Leviticus 25:44-46
Exodus 21:7-1

New Testament:
Ephesians 6:5
1 Timothy 6:1-4

Give where credit is due!!!

p.s. I don't mean to make the debate about religion but I have very strong feelings about the subject of slavery as it relates to religion.

[Sammy Baugh Fan]

This Thread got Totally Jacked.

peace and prayers to you all
mike
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[Sammy Baugh Fan]

And finally the answer:
If you don't believe in God: Prayer does NOT work.
If you do believe in God: Yes, Prayer Works Great!

Have a great day folks
peace

[Sammy Baugh Fan]

Ok Mr Horse,
Let's say I'm wrong about God.
Well, I lived a life "trying" to be better and live by a high standard and I'm just dead. Heck yer just dead too and it's all over.

If you are wrong and there is a God..you have rejected Him. I'll be in Heaven with God and you'll be in eternal Hell away from God.

What if yer wrong?

Like I said I won't debate but I will make the end results clear.
Take another look my brother.

peace and Hail Skins cus this is a Skins board
mike

[MTK]

If there really is a God, would he really turn one of us away for questioning his existence? That's not a God I'd want to be with any way.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

If there really is a God, would he really turn one of us away for questioning his existence? That's not a God I'd want to be with any way.

I don't think God would turn his back on one who in the course of honestly seeking the truth encountered doubts. To question is to be human. In the New Testament it says "...seek and ye shall find, knock and the door shall be opened unto you." It's really not a question of God turning away from us as much as it is us turning away from God.

For me the whole point of this life is to seek God, everything else is secondary. (Laughter is a very close second. Laughter and the Redskins)

[Sammy Baugh Fan]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

I don't think God would turn his back on one who in the course of honestly seeking the truth encountered doubts. To question is to be human. In the New Testament it says "...seek and ye shall find, knock and the door shall be opened unto you." It's really not a question of God turning away from us as much as it is us turning away from God.

For me the whole point of this life is to seek God, everything else is secondary. (Laughter is a very close second. Laughter and the Redskins)

I agree. And to answer MattyK. Yes, if you reject God He will let you go to Hell. He gave you Free Will to accept Him and His truth or turn your back and reject Him and be eternally without Him. That's Hell.

~still can't believe this thread has not imploded. Thanks to everyone and Mods for stay very civil.

peace & prayers
mike
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[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Sammy Baugh Fan

I agree. And to answer MattyK. Yes, if you reject God He will let you go to Hell. He gave you Free Will to accept Him and His truth or turn your back and reject Him and be eternally without Him. That's Hell.

~still can't believe this thread has not imploded. Thanks to everyone and Mods for stay very civil.

peace & prayers
mike
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Well, that's what the Bible says. But how do we know the Bible is right? How do we know some other religion is the correct one? Just because of a Christian belief?

What if I'm praying to the wrong God? What if the Greeks had it right, and there are multiple gods? What if the Taoists were right? What if the Buddhists are right?

If I lead a good life, as Jesus wanted me to live it, but I don't believe in God, would God still allow me to go to hell? If so, I don't see what's so great about God.

Seems to me, priority one should be how you treated your fellow man while you were on Earth, not whether you actually believed in God or not.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Well, that's what the Bible says. But how do we know the Bible is right? How do we know some other religion is the correct one? Just because of a Christian belief?

What if I'm praying to the wrong God? What if the Greeks had it right, and there are multiple gods? What if the Taoists were right? What if the Buddhists are right?

If I lead a good life, as Jesus wanted me to live it, but I don't believe in God, would God still allow me to go to hell? If so, I don't see what's so great about God.

Seems to me, priority one should be how you treated your fellow man while you were on Earth, not whether you actually believed in God or not.

Makes perfect sense to me. Nice post.

[Hog1]

[quote=Schneed10;351742]

Q1
Well, that's what the Bible says. But how do we know the Bible is right? How do we know some other religion is the correct one? Just because of a Christian belief?

A1
It's the chance you take. The choice is yours to make! After all, it ONLY affects you.

Q2
What if I'm praying to the wrong God? What if the Greeks had it right, and there are multiple gods? What if the Taoists were right? What if the Buddhists are right?

A2
Same as A1

Q3
If I lead a good life, as Jesus wanted me to live it, but I don't believe in God, would God still allow me to go to hell? If so, I don't see what's so great about God.

A3
That is but one of......MANY things Jesus speaks. Most importantly, the way to eternal life is through Jesus, and acceptance of him. Being a good guy will not suffice.

Q4
Seems to me, priority one should be how you treated your fellow man while you were on Earth, not whether you actually believed in God or not.

A4
Although in your mind, I have no doubt that your own opinion of the "Heavenly Hoyle" and it's attendant rules are paramount. I don't think God shares your view................because, it's His way, or the HIGHWAY TO HELL........sing it Brian!!!!

For answers to this and other life questions like it, please consult your local King James.

[Crazyhorse1]

Originally Posted by Sammy Baugh Fan

I agree. And to answer MattyK. Yes, if you reject God He will let you go to Hell. He gave you Free Will to accept Him and His truth or turn your back and reject Him and be eternally without Him. That's Hell.

~still can't believe this thread has not imploded. Thanks to everyone and Mods for stay very civil.

peace & prayers
mike
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If you would say you believed such and such instead of " I know," I would be more receptive to your comments. I don't believe you know any more about heaven or hell than I do, which is nothing.

Why not just tell us why you believe what you do? That might be more instructive.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Crazyhorse1

If you would say you believed such and such instead of " I know," I would be more receptive to your comments. I don't believe you know any more about heaven or hell than I do, which is nothing.

Why not just tell us why you believe what you do? That might be more instructive.

Now this was a good post. This is exactly why religious belief can be so dangerous. People actually become convinced that they "know" things rather than only "believing" them.

It's important to draw the line between belief and fact (ie knowledge), otherwise your beliefs come across as arrogant and inflammatory.

[Hog1]

Hmmmm, No implosion ehhh??
..................
............
Patrick Ramsey blows

NOW we'll see some action

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Hmmmm, No implosion ehhh??
..................
............
Patrick Ramsey blows

NOW we'll see some action

Spurrier was an idiot. Gibbs never gave Ramsey a chance. Peter King doesn't like us. Dan Snyder is the worst owner in the league. We'll be sub .500 this year. What did you think of my question, i was the third caller...

That should definitely do it.