Redskins Offensive Line: 2012 Unsung Heroes

[SmootSmack]

I think the importance of RT is considerably overrated. I also think there aren't many great RTs out there. And finally I think it would be stupid to draft/sign an RT just for the hell of it in lieu of a better player at another position

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think the importance of RT is considerably overrated. I also think there aren't many great RTs out there. And finally I think it would be stupid to draft/sign an RT just for the hell of it in lieu of a better player at another position

As an example of the importance of RT in relation to other positions, even being out for 8 weeks (is that right?), Garcon has contributed 2 touchdowns. Both TD's were, essentially, pure individual effort. I just don't see any RT (yes, even Winston) having the impact that a healthy Garcon makes.

Similarly, DB's operate on much more individual effort and the inadequacies of a below average safety or corner are much more easily exposed than those of an inadequate O-lineman. Neither is good, but given my druthers, I would rather improve the below average DB at the risk of retaining a below average RT.

If we had a line of Polumbus's, yup that would be a serious concern. We have, however, a possible pro-bowl LT, a center rated second in the league at his position and a pair of at least average guards to go along with Mr. Polumbus.

Let me ask you this - do you think playoff contenders Chicago, GBay, Dallas, Pittsburg wishes it had Kory L, Monty or Chester on their line RIGHT NOW? You bet your ass they do.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think the importance of RT is considerably overrated. I also think there aren't many great RTs out there. And finally I think it would be stupid to draft/sign an RT just for the hell of it in lieu of a better player at another position

That wasnt the point i was making at all. I never suggested signing a RT just for the hell of it. Still, it is our teams biggest need behind the secondary. It would be difficult to come up with an argument where one of the other offensive starters or front 7 defenders was more ill-suited for a starting role than polumbus on this team.

Again, im not knocking polumbus... he's done exceptionally well for a backup player playing in a starting role, but we need a stronger player at that position - not at the expense of any position on the secondary though.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

That wasnt the point i was making at all. I never suggested signing a RT just for the hell of it. Still, it is our teams biggest need behind the secondary. It would be difficult to come up with an argument where one of the other offensive starters or front 7 defenders was more ill-suited for a starting role than polumbus on this team.

Again, im not knocking polumbus... he's done exceptionally well for a backup player playing in a starting role, but we need a stronger player at that position - not at the expense of any position on the secondary though.

I wasn't talking to you

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I wasn't talking to you

oh, who were you replying to? the comment was formatted as if it was a reply, and it seems like im the only one on an island with my opinion lol.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

oh, who were you replying to? the comment was formatted as if it was a reply, and it seems like im the only one on an island with my opinion lol.

I would have quoted you if I were replying to you

[Schneed10]

Call the offensive line heroes, call them mediocre, I don't give a shit. All I'm saying is we're strong in offensive production. We're terrible in defensive production. So laud the offensive line, or don't for all I care, just as long as every sane person realizes that the defense is in much bigger need of attention than the offensive line.

The only question that matters is "how are we going to get better?"

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Call the offensive line heroes, call them mediocre, I don't give a shit. All I'm saying is we're strong in offensive production. We're terrible in defensive production. So laud the offensive line, or don't for all I care, just as long as every sane person realizes that the defense is in much bigger need of attention than the offensive line.
The only question that matters is "how are we going to get better?"

Oh, I think the sane one's realize this.

Not sure about Goat though ...

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Call the offensive line heroes, call them mediocre, I don't give a shit. All I'm saying is we're strong in offensive production. We're terrible in defensive production. So laud the offensive line, or don't for all I care, just as long as every sane person realizes that the defense is in much bigger need of attention than the offensive line.
The only question that matters is "how are we going to get better?"

I dont think anyone has argued otherwise.

[Chico23231]

We can improve the RT and secondary this offseason. It shouldnt be a problem. Kinda want to see what Compton brings to the Tackle position.

[JoeRedskin]

From Pro Football Reference:

RGIII has been sacked 26 times in 305 drop backs (There is no listing for knock downs or hurries). For the sack of argument and unless someone has an objective statistical basis for finding diffently, I am going to assume that the ratio for sacks, knockdowns and hurries are complarable (i.e. - if team A allows 5 sacks and 5 knockdowns in 50 drop backs, we can assume it would allow 10 sacks and 10 knockdowns in 100 drop backs).

In raw numbers, the Skins O-line has allowed the 9th most sacks this year (27 - tied with the Jets and Vikings). Ahead of us in raw numbers are Green Bay (2nd w/ 37), Chicago (3rd w/ 35) and San Francisco (7th with 31).

In terms of percentages, our O-Line is 6th worst with a sack percentage of 7.9%. Ahead of us, again, are the Bears (2nd - 9.6%), San Francisco (3rd - 9.6%) and GB (8.8%).

The best in terms of percentages are the Texans, Broncos, Patriots and Giants - all with less than 4%.

What that says to me is that, we can win with this line, but we can't win with this line and the defense as currently constituted. While we allow a lot of sacks, it is clear that other successful teams do the same but, for example, SF and Chicago have killer D's. We do not. The Pats D is suspect but their O-Line and Brady have been the heart of their success.

Again, the bottom line is that the this line has done enough to help make our offense the most productive it has been in recent memory. Not sure anyone is suggesting anything more than that.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

From Pro Football Reference:

RGIII has been sacked 26 times in 305 drop backs (There is no listing for knock downs or hurries). For the sack of argument and unless someone has an objective statistical basis for finding diffently, I am going to assume that the ratio for sacks, knockdowns and hurries are complarable (i.e. - if team A allows 5 sacks and 5 knockdowns in 50 drop backs, we can assume it would allow 10 sacks and 10 knockdowns in 100 drop backs).

In raw numbers, the Skins O-line has allowed the 9th most sacks this year (27 - tied with the Jets and Vikings). Ahead of us in raw numbers are Green Bay (2nd w/ 37), Chicago (3rd w/ 35) and San Francisco (7th with 31).

In terms of percentages, our O-Line is 6th worst with a sack percentage of 7.9%. Ahead of us, again, are the Bears (2nd - 9.6%), San Francisco (3rd - 9.6%) and GB (8.8%).

The best in terms of percentages are the Texans, Broncos, Patriots and Giants - all with less than 4%.

What that says to me is that, we can win with this line, but we can't win with this line and the defense as currently constituted. While we allow a lot of sacks, it is clear that other successful teams do the same but, for example, SF and Chicago have killer D's. We do not. The Pats D is suspect but their O-Line and Brady have been the heart of their success.

Again, the bottom line is that the this line has done enough to help make our offense the most productive it has been in recent memory. Not sure anyone is suggesting anything more than that.

Excellent post. I do think (probably like everyone else) that our defenses problems are primarily limited to the secondary. If we stop allowing defense to score so much, we can rely more heavily on our running game... which i think our o-line has done a pretty d*** fine job at.

[The Goat]

?? Sorry not sure how/why that double posted. Guess the Gods new it was important hehe

[JoeRedskin]

In terms of the success offense being due to RGIII in spite of the O-Line, I cite the example of SF. Was there offensive success the result of Alex Smith despite the sack heavy O-Line?

[REDSKINS4ever]

The Redskins offensive line is not a great line. They work well but the offensive line is flawed. The left side with Trent Williams and Kory Lichtensteiger is the best of the unit. Montgomery is okay, but the Redskins can definitely do better at center. RG is fine. While some Redskins fans gets down on Polumbus, he has actually done a decent job.