Redskins Offensive Line: 2012 Unsung Heroes

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

uhhh, no its not. For the past two games, during the newscast theyve shown stats of RGIII hurried/hits/knockdown/sacked on pass attempts. In both games, there were only 1 or 2 dropbacks where one of those did not occurr. the vast majority where in the Hits and Knockdown columns. RG3 takes a beating, and the worst hits are when he's in the pocket, not when he runs. Griffin is TOUGH, but we need to protect him long-term.

No one is saying not to focus on the secondary. Generally, teams can upgrade more than one position group in an offseason. Unless theres some new rule i'm not aware of that says teams have to pick one group and spend on their draft picks and make all their free agency acquisitions at one position.

As ive already said, in my perspective, the only position groups that actually require upgrading on our team in the offseason are the secondary and o-line. The secondary is - by far- the most glaring need, and one where we probably need 3 new starters, but i dont see why we couldnt add 3 new starting DBs and a new RT in the offseason.

So you're telling me in the last game when he had 28 pass attempts, he was hit 26-27 times? Got a link to back that up?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

So you're telling me in the last game when he had 28 pass attempts, he was hit 26-27 times? Got a link to back that up?

as i said, this was an image on live television sometime in the 2nd half of both games. If you tell me how, i'd be more than happy to provide you a link

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

as i said, this was an image on live television sometime in the 2nd half of both games. If you tell me how, i'd be more than happy to provide you a link

Yeah I remember seeing it, I just don't recall it being that high. That's a little outrageous if you ask me. For some reason I remember it being more like in the range of 9-11 hits/knockdowns in the first half and I don't recall them showing the graphic again the rest of the way.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Yeah I remember seeing it, I just don't recall it being that high. That's a little outrageous if you ask me. For some reason I remember it being more like in the range of 9-11 hits/knockdowns in the first half and I don't recall them showing the graphic again the rest of the way.

9-11 hits/knockdowns in the first half is outrageously bad... i did just look at nfl.com and it looks like the skins offensive line has allowed the 6th most QB hits in the league:

Eagles: 86
Colts: 74
Cardinals: 73
Jags: 69
Bears: 67
Skins: 63Packers 62

The rest of the teams range in the 30s-50s.

We're also tied with 9th most sacks allowed at 27.

NFL Stats: by Team Category


someone referenced profootballfocus on the site earlier. I'd never been to it before, but checked it out and came across some interesting stuff.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...nder-pressure/

RGIII is the 9th most pressured quarterback in the NFL (pressured on 35% of his dropbacks), but, interestingly, is the NFLs most accurate passer under pressure - Is there anything Griffin does NOT excel at? Again, my concern isnt with RGIIIs decision making due to pressure, but simply the toll it will take on his body over time and he'll have a harder time than most QBs enduring/recovering due to his lanky frame.

Not surprisingly, the NFLs elite quarterbacks (brady, brees, rodgers, the manning brothers) are among the leagues least pressured quarterbacks.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

9-11 hits/knockdowns in the first half is outrageously bad... i did just look at nfl.com and it looks like the skins offensive line has allowed the 6th most QB hits in the league:

Eagles: 86
Colts: 74
Cardinals: 73
Jags: 69
Bears: 67
Skins: 63Packers 62

The rest of the teams range in the 30s-50s.

We're also tied with 9th most sacks allowed at 27.

NFL Stats: by Team Category


someone referenced profootballfocus on the site earlier. I'd never been to it before, but checked it out and came across some interesting stuff.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...nder-pressure/

RGIII is the 9th most pressured quarterback in the NFL (pressured on 35% of his dropbacks), but, interestingly, is the NFLs most accurate passer under pressure - Is there anything Griffin does NOT excel at? Again, my concern isnt with RGIIIs decision making due to pressure, but simply the toll it will take on his body over time and he'll have a harder time than most QBs enduring/recovering due to his lanky frame.

Not surprisingly, the NFLs elite quarterbacks (brady, brees, rodgers, the manning brothers) are among the leagues least pressured quarterbacks.

I would ask if they started out that way. And what I mean is, we have spent a ton of resources just trying to find a starting qb. Now we know, or are very d*** confident, that we have a long term solution I would imagine that our drafting/FA strategies would change somewhat.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I would ask if they started out that way. And what I mean is, we have spent a ton of resources just trying to find a starting qb. Now we know, or are very d*** confident, that we have a long term solution I would imagine that our drafting/FA strategies would change somewhat.

I'm not sure i understand what youre getting at. Teams strategies always change once theyve found "the guy" - they can stop looking for "the guy" and start improving their teams around him. The difference iwth the other elite quarterbacks i mentioned (with the exception of eli) is that those teams (saints, colts/broncos, packers, patriots) didnt pay a fortune in draft picks to acquire their franchise quarterback. We did. Normally, i would think that would hurt a team substantially, But RGIII is so far ahead of the curve as a rookie, i'm optomisitic that the lack of 1st round picks the next two years wont hurt us as much. RGIII is so athletic, he can make plays on his own without elite talent around him right now. That will change as he gets older, but we've got more than enough time to build up our offense and defense arround him. I cant fathom going into a season with a healthy RGIII and not being competitive.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

9-11 hits/knockdowns in the first half is outrageously bad... i did just look at nfl.com and it looks like the skins offensive line has allowed the 6th most QB hits in the league:

Eagles: 86
Colts: 74
Cardinals: 73
Jags: 69
Bears: 67
Skins: 63Packers 62

The rest of the teams range in the 30s-50s.

We're also tied with 9th most sacks allowed at 27.

NFL Stats: by Team Category


someone referenced profootballfocus on the site earlier. I'd never been to it before, but checked it out and came across some interesting stuff.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...nder-pressure/

RGIII is the 9th most pressured quarterback in the NFL (pressured on 35% of his dropbacks), but, interestingly, is the NFLs most accurate passer under pressure - Is there anything Griffin does NOT excel at? Again, my concern isnt with RGIIIs decision making due to pressure, but simply the toll it will take on his body over time and he'll have a harder time than most QBs enduring/recovering due to his lanky frame.

Not surprisingly, the NFLs elite quarterbacks (brady, brees, rodgers, the manning brothers) are among the leagues least pressured quarterbacks.

Translation: RG3 and the offense success is in spite of the oline, not because of it.

I really think the bigger picture, long term question has to be whether Shanny's ZBS can protect a QB in this division and era of the NFL. Again, it's a pretty good rushing attack, though better exist. The difference is those elite lines also protect their QB well.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

9-11 hits/knockdowns in the first half is outrageously bad... i did just look at nfl.com and it looks like the skins offensive line has allowed the 6th most QB hits in the league:

Eagles: 86
Colts: 74
Cardinals: 73
Jags: 69
Bears: 67
Skins: 63Packers 62

The rest of the teams range in the 30s-50s.

We're also tied with 9th most sacks allowed at 27.

NFL Stats: by Team Category


someone referenced profootballfocus on the site earlier. I'd never been to it before, but checked it out and came across some interesting stuff.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...nder-pressure/

RGIII is the 9th most pressured quarterback in the NFL (pressured on 35% of his dropbacks), but, interestingly, is the NFLs most accurate passer under pressure - Is there anything Griffin does NOT excel at? Again, my concern isnt with RGIIIs decision making due to pressure, but simply the toll it will take on his body over time and he'll have a harder time than most QBs enduring/recovering due to his lanky frame.

Not surprisingly, the NFLs elite quarterbacks (brady, brees, rodgers, the manning brothers) are among the leagues least pressured quarterbacks.

Translation: RG3 and the offense success is in spite of the oline, not because of it.

I really think the bigger picture, long term question has to be whether Shanny's ZBS can protect a QB in this division and era of the NFL. Again, it's a pretty good rushing attack, though better exist. The difference is those elite lines also protect their QB well. We've got a giddy bunch of school girl types ignoring the fact RG3 has been abused worse than Rihanna (sp?), and a couple/few years from now he'll likely be hobbled if we don't do a better job protecting him.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

So you're telling me in the last game when he had 28 pass attempts, he was hit 26-27 times? Got a link to back that up?

What are you talking about? He passes outside the pocket regularly, but sitting back in the pocket he gets crushed with a couple seconds of the snap. I think just about every game announcer has said as much.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by The Goat

What are you talking about? He passes outside the pocket regularly, but sitting back in the pocket he gets crushed with a couple seconds of the snap. I think just about every game announcer has said as much.

You know ... I took you off the ignore just to see if you had an intelligent response. I instantly regretted it -- back you go.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by The Goat

What are you talking about? He passes outside the pocket regularly, but sitting back in the pocket he gets crushed with a couple seconds of the snap. I think just about every game announcer has said as much.

BHA said RG3 was hit on nearly every all of this attempts against Dallas, except once or twice. Sorry I just don't believe the number was that high. So until you guys can provide some facts to back this up, I'm calling BS. That's what I'm talking about.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

BHA said RG3 was hit on nearly every all of this attempts against Dallas, except once or twice. Sorry I just don't believe the number was that high. So until you guys can provide some facts to back this up, I'm calling BS. That's what I'm talking about.

I took it to mean every drop back in the pocket, since that's been the topic of discussion. Moving on...

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

BHA said RG3 was hit on nearly every all of this attempts against Dallas, except once or twice. Sorry I just don't believe the number was that high. So until you guys can provide some facts to back this up, I'm calling BS. That's what I'm talking about.

You've misremembered my statement. this is what I actually posted:

For the past two games, during the newscast theyve shown stats of RGIII hurried/hits/knockdown/sacked on pass attempts. In both games, there were only 1 or 2 dropbacks where one of those did not occurr. the vast majority where in the Hits and Knockdown columns.

I spoke to graphics displayed on the newscasts, not my own observations. I also said the stats included hurries.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

You've misremembered my statement. this is what I actually posted:



I spoke to graphics displayed on the newscasts, not my own observations. I also said the stats included hurries.

Well, as I said on 3 of his 4 TD throws he wasn't touched. I doubt he was hit, hurried or pressured on all the rest of his drop backs.