Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by ethat001

Again, a wasted 2nd round pick. Just like we all said 2 years ago -- we did NOT need another pass-catching TE when we had a ProBowl Chris Cooley. If anything, we needed a blocking TE, but not one in the 2nd round.

Hindsight is always 20/20 - but how awesome would it have been to draft ONE WR that year, and then two offensive linemen (-- not named Rhinehart)...

And the probabilty of success that these other "phantom o-linemen" was 100%. NOT. The only dude who even is sniffing a starting job and was not a FIRST ROUNDER in that draft was LICHTENSTEIGER. That draft had a horrible oline class beyond the first round.


No Olinemen were drafted in the 2nd round except for Chico Rachal.

[skinsfaninok]

Like I've said hundreds of times, 2 TE's cant work in the NFL.

Dallas: Bennett has a huge upside but cant get on the field..
INDY: Now that Clark is out, Tamme has played great including 11 Catches Sunday
Same goes for us, CC is the man and FD just can't get on the field..

If Cooley wasn't on the team, Davis would be shining right now.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Like I've said hundreds of times, 2 TE's cant work in the NFL.

Dallas: Bennett has a huge upside but cant get on the field..
INDY: Now that Clark is out, Tamme has played great including 11 Catches Sunday
Same goes for us, CC is the man and FD just can't get on the field..

If Cooley wasn't on the team, Davis would be shining right now.

I almost forgot creating this thread two years ago, but it's still very relevant. A backup TE was not a luxury we could afford with more pressing needs, especially O-line depth, or lack thereof, that still plagues us to this day. I'm not saying that Davis can't be a productive player, we saw what he can do when Cooley was injured, but as long as CC is healthy and producing, Fred Davis is about as useful to this roster as a backup punter.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Like I've said hundreds of times, 2 TE's cant work in the NFL.

Just because we don't/aren't using Davis doesn't mean it can't be done.
The Packers, Patriots, Texans and Saints all make good use of double and multiple TEs.

[skinsfaninok]

^ exactly, we should have traded Fred in the offseason. I say he's gone after this yr, one of them will he for sure IMO

[skinsfaninok]

^ I didn't say it can't be done but you won't ever see 2 TEs become big parts of the offense at the same time..

And GB hardely used anyone before Finley got hurt, and as far as Saints go their TEs aren't anything special.. Shockey is done

[30gut]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

^I didn't say it can't be done

Um that's exactly what you said:

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Like I've said hundreds of times, 2 TE's cant work in the NFL.

Don't be a hypocrite you said, stick with it.

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

but you won't ever see 2 TEs become big parts of the offense at the same time..

Wrong again my friend I listed 4 teams that use 2 TEs as a big part of their passing offense.(Packers, Patriots, Texans and Saints)
And there are plenty more teams that use 2 TEs a part of their base offense run sets/formations.

And GB hardely used anyone before Finley got hurt,

I watch a lot of football, probably too much.
And i can tell you you're dead wrong.
The Packers have been using 2 TEs since last year.
Finley 55 catches
Lee 37
This year is different due to injury to 3 TEs but the numbers are:
Finley 21 catches
Lee, Quarless, Crabtree 17 catches.

and as far as Saints go their TEs aren't anything special.. Shockey is done

Huh?
Wow that's a great argument: because you don't like their TEs that means their TEs aren't producing?
Well the numbers prove you wrong once again:
Shockey 31 catches
Dave Thomas 27
J Graham 8 catches

I could keep going with the Pats and Texans but i think i've made my point.
Just because we aren't making good use of Fred Davis doesn't mean it can't be done.
HTTR!

[skinsfan69]

I just don't understand why Davis isn't on the field a lot more. Especially in the red zone. Makes no snese.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I just don't understand why Davis isn't on the field a lot more. Especially in the red zone. Makes no snese.

I'm with you on that brotha, for a team that's as limited as WR as we are it makes no sense to have a starting caliber TE and only have targeted him 13 times that Sellers, Torrain and Keiland Williams have more 23, 17, 15 targets respectively. There's no way way a Fred Davis should have less targets then those guys.
Fred Davis is being criminally underused by Kyle.

[itvnetop]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I'm with you on that brotha, for a team that's as limited as WR as we are it makes no sense to have a starting caliber TE and only have targeted him 13 times that Sellers, Torrain and Keiland Williams have more 23, 17, 15 targets respectively. There's no way way a Fred Davis should have less targets then those guys.
Fred Davis is being criminally underused by Kyle.

This. I don't want to hear about drops, either- all of our receivers are guilty of this. I read somewhere that he's had trouble picking up the new offense, but even so there's got to be some simple routes that put the ball in his hands. I remember last season people were absolutely gushing when he took over for Cooley- comparisons to Gates, etc. The talent is there; utilize it.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I'm with you on that brotha, for a team that's as limited as WR as we are it makes no sense to have a starting caliber TE and only have targeted him 13 times that Sellers, Torrain and Keiland Williams have more 23, 17, 15 targets respectively. There's no way way a Fred Davis should have less targets then those guys.
Fred Davis is being criminally underused by Kyle.

It's hardly fair to compare your starting FB, RB and 3rd Down backs catches to the 2nd string TE's. The 3 guys you mentioned are on the field based on down and distance, and have other specific roles, and as such are dual threats at least. For FD to get on the field the play needs to be drawn up specifically to utilize a 2 TE set.

Further, FD was targeted twice on two point conversions and missed both, and I still remember a long pass play that he was targeted, don't remember the game, just that it was a sure TD if he catches it.

Could we be using him more, maybe, but I don't see that as the main reason our offense seems stagnant. Right now, I think we can be thankful to have at least one position where our depth is our strength. If he plays more fine, but at least if Cooley goes down, we know we aren't restricted when the backup goes in.

Don't take this to mean FD should never get targets, just that when he does get them he has to make the play. If he does that more targets will come.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

It's hardly fair to compare your starting FB, RB and 3rd Down backs catches to the 2nd string TE's.

I'm not comparing their catches i was comparing their targets.
Which is the number of times a QB throws in his direction.

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

The 3 guys you mentioned are on the field based on down and distance, and have other specific roles, and as such are dual threats at least. For FD to get on the field the play needs to be drawn up specifically to utilize a 2 TE set.

Exactly.
Being that Fred Davis is a proven NFL TE he's already a much better receiver then any of the previously mentioned players and that Davis is much improved as a blocker to the point where he's on the field often in double TE situations as a blocker.
Its the job of the offensive staff and OC specifically to design plays and an offense that takes advantage of the weapons on the team.
Imo the staff is behoved to find away to not only get him on the field more often but to make him a bigger part of the passing game.
Personally i think his targets should be at least No.4 on the team behind Tana, Cooley and Armstrong not behind the RBs/FBs.

Further, FD was targeted twice on two point conversions and missed both, and I still remember a long pass play that he was targeted, don't remember the game, just that it was a sure TD if he catches it.

Even if all the plays you mention were completely his fault (they weren't but i don't want to quible too much but those throws were off target) would those mistakes be enough to erase/discount his production from last year?(48, 590, 6 TDs in basically half a season)

Could we be using him more, maybe, but I don't see that as the main reason our offense seems stagnant. Right now, I think we can be thankful to have at least one position where our depth is our strength. If he plays more fine, but at least if Cooley goes down, we know we aren't restricted when the backup goes in.

I don't think he's the main reason the offense is stagnant either.
But why have a weapon and not use him? Its a waste/misuse of talent from a football standpoint especially considering our lack of talent/depth at the WR position.

Don't take this to mean FD should never get targets, just that when he does get them he has to make the play. If he does that more targets will come.

No doubt he needs to make plays, but we already know he can.
It would be different if we weren't sure if he could make plays or not.
We already now that he can and therefore should be targeting him more.

[SirClintonPortis]

It's always better to have too much of a good thing than too little...at least in terms of NFL depth.

[drew54]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

It's always better to have too much of a good thing than too little...at least in terms of NFL depth.

Especially at TE while ignoring OL and WR in the draft for 10 years, even when they are a position of greater need.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by drew54

Especially at TE while ignoring OL and WR in the draft for 10 years, even when they are a position of greater need.

We have not ignored WR, we just haven't drafted that position well:

2001: 1st round - Rod Gardner
2003: 2nd round - Taylor Jacobs
2008: 2nd round - Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly

Plus

2003: Free Agent - L. Coles
2005: Trade - Santana Moss

If any of the 4 WR's drafted in the first two rounds had become bonafide starters, we would have a decent WR situation with Moss still playing at a relatively high level.